Ranks for MAs

List repost. Proposed changes update.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Ogun, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Moon Knight, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Sabretooth, Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Arsenal, Bane, Blade, Dr Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Night Thrasher, Midnighter, Punisher, Psylocke, Robin, Shadowcat, US Agent

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Misty Knight, Mystique, The Question, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For/Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Punisher to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 6 (jinzin, Nataku, V, Soljer, marvelprince and I)
Kingpin to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 2 (Soljer, marvelprince)
[Me]Sabretooth to Third Tier: 3 (jinzin? V and Soljer) / 1 (capt)
[marvelprince]:
Question to Third Tier: 1 (mp) / 0
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 1 (mp) / 2 (Soljer, jinzin)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin?) / 0
[Devil Lance]: Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, Soljer)?
[jinzin]:
Moon Knight to Third: 3 (Soljer, mp, jinzin) / 0
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 0

Comments:
-One open Marvel Top Tier spot. Two open Indie/Other spots.
-Daredevil1 you'd have to nominate someone for Deathstroke to replace in the top tier.
-Did I miss any proposed changes or votes? Have any votes been interpreted incorrectly?
-I think the Punisher movement has been defeated. Unless there's at least one or two votes in favour of it before the next update I'm removing it from the proposed changes.
Edit: capt I'm unsure what exactly you meant by "winterer", Winter Soldier?

Just a suggestion.....should we make a transient tier?

One inbetween top and second?Because Guys Like Red Hood,Nightwing,Black Canary,are all leaning more towards Top then second if you catch my drift.It's Just guys like Azrael or Silver Samurai have hit their peak,but they are constantly improving.

I say we move winter soldier to top tier.

Robin? 👇

I don't think Tim Drake is nearly as skilled as....Bullseye, Nightwing, Nick Fury, etc.

Kingpin? 👇 He doesn't show nearly enough skill.

Question? 👆

Night Thrasher? 👇

I'm indifferent towards Black Canary replacing Connor, though I'd like to hear a little more on the subject.

I vote no on Elektra, personally. I think Daredevil would deserve the spot before her, on pure skill.

If Daredevil1 does propose someone for Deathstroke to replace, consider me a no vote for him to move up. It's a constant that he beats others due to his physical enhancements. Pure skill, Ollie seemed to look his superior, as has Batman on numerous occasions.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Just a suggestion.....should we make a transient tier?

One inbetween top and second?Because Guys Like Red Hood,Nightwing,Black Canary,are all leaning more towards Top then second if you catch my drift.It's Just guys like Azrael or Silver Samurai have hit their peak,but they are constantly improving.

Negative.

what about winter soldier being moved up?......

Originally posted by capt it up
I say we move winter soldier to top tier.

Based on which skill feats? What makes Bucky more skilled than Elektra or Daredevil?

Originally posted by Soljer
Based on which skill feats? What makes Bucky more skilled than Elektra or Daredevil?

He however was stated by Capt as beeing the most naterialy gifted figter he had ever seen even more so then him self.

He then recieved all of the same training as capt. So in reality would he not then be more skilled then capt? However capt had some years on him with the avengers so capt more skilled, but bucky would not be far behind.

Proposed Changes (Votes For/Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Punisher to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 6 (jinzin, Nataku, V, Soljer, marvelprince and I)
Kingpin to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 3 (Soljer, marvelprince and I)
[Me]Sabretooth to Third Tier: 4 (jinzin? V, Soljer & I) / 1 (capt)
[marvelprince]:
Question to Third Tier: 2 (mp, Soljer) / 0
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 1 (mp) / 2 (Soljer, jinzin)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin?) / 1 (Soljer)
[Devil Lance]: Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 1 (mp)?
[jinzin]:
Moon Knight to Third: 3 (Soljer, mp, jinzin) / 0
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 1 (Soljer)
[capt]Winter Soldier to the remaining Marvel spot: 1 (capt) /

Comments:
-One open Marvel Top Tier spot. Two open Indie/Other spots.
-Daredevil1 you'd have to nominate someone for Deathstroke to replace in the top tier.
-I think the Punisher movement has been defeated. Unless there's at least one or two votes in favour of it before the next update I'm removing it from the proposed changes.
-I'll institute some of the proposed changes with larger majorities in the next update.

As for the proposed structural change of dividing the Second Tier, I'm ambivalent. At most I'd simply divide it into two subclasses rather than create an entirely new Tier... the distinction is probable only slight but a distinction no less...

Him calling bucky a more natural fighter than himself (god that was terrible english) is analogous to Batman calling Tim Drake smarter than himself.

It doesn't really mean anything since Tim hasn't done shit with it.

I could see Winter Soldier becoming top tier, and I wouldn't have a single problem with it, but without a little more backing to it than "Cap said so!" I'm gonna have to vote no.

Originally posted by Soljer
Him calling bucky a more natural fighter than himself (god that was terrible english) is analogous to Batman calling Tim Drake smarter than himself.

It doesn't really mean anything since Tim hasn't done shit with it.

I could see Winter Soldier becoming top tier, and I wouldn't have a single problem with it, but without a little more backing to it than "Cap said so!" I'm gonna have to vote no.

I know, I own the comic you're talking about.

That's great.

Still doesn't mean he deserves top tier, in my opinion.

Originally posted by Soljer
I know, I own the comic you're talking about.

That's great.

Still doesn't mean he deserves top tier, in my opinion.

Winter Solidier Vs Red Hood would be delicious....

http://www.radioblogclub.com/open/98373/all_the_small_things/Blink%20182%20-%20All%20The%20Small%20Things

🤘

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I'd probably put Deathstroke in top tier. His stats are similar to Captain America. He has lower skill in hand to hand combat but makes up for it in versatility in weapons skills. He's more skilled with a variety of weapons combat then others as with swords, nets, knives, guns etc etc.

This thread is strictly about MA skills and that said, deathstroke is a low second tier if that..

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
List repost. Proposed changes update.

[b]Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Ogun, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Moon Knight, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Sabretooth, Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Arsenal, Bane, Blade, Dr Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Night Thrasher, Midnighter, Punisher, Psylocke, Robin, Shadowcat, US Agent

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Misty Knight, Mystique, The Question, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For/Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Punisher to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 6 (jinzin, Nataku, V, Soljer, marvelprince and I)
Kingpin to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 2 (Soljer, marvelprince)
[Me]Sabretooth to Third Tier: 3 (jinzin? V and Soljer) / 1 (capt)
[marvelprince]:
Question to Third Tier: 1 (mp) / 0
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 1 (mp) / 2 (Soljer, jinzin)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin?) / 0
[Devil Lance]: Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, Soljer)?
[jinzin]:
Moon Knight to Third: 3 (Soljer, mp, jinzin) / 0
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 0

Comments:
-One open Marvel Top Tier spot. Two open Indie/Other spots.
-Daredevil1 you'd have to nominate someone for Deathstroke to replace in the top tier.
-Did I miss any proposed changes or votes? Have any votes been interpreted incorrectly?
-I think the Punisher movement has been defeated. Unless there's at least one or two votes in favour of it before the next update I'm removing it from the proposed changes.
Edit: capt I'm unsure what exactly you meant by "winterer", Winter Soldier? [/B]

I'd sure as hell like to know what gorgon is doing in the second tier. 😬

I think he definitely belongs either in the top tier or uber tier..

Pretty much any feat he had was complimented by skill.. when he trounced elektra he wasn't even touched once. and when wolverine fought him the 3rd time wolverine alludes to gorgon having more skill than himself when he just forgoes skill altogether to fight him. "stop trying to match his skills".

Does this thread also take into account the dedication those people have to learn their martial art's.As Taskmaster only has to fight some-one on the higher tiers and he's as skilled as them(excepting those with skills that improve their martial arts, Stick's hearing etc) but he hasn't taken the time to master them.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'd sure as hell like to know what gorgon is doing in the second tier. 😬

I think he definitely belongs either in the top tier or uber tier..

Pretty much any feat he had was complimented by skill.. when he trounced elektra he wasn't even touched once. and when wolverine fought him the 3rd time wolverine alludes to gorgon having more skill than himself when he just forgoes skill altogether to fight him. "stop trying to match his skills".

Gorgon was good, but he was not above wolverine, capt and so on with skill he was just superior in ever other aspect.

Also how would wolverine stop using skill make him do better? He ment to stop being fancy not stop using skill that just be dumb

Originally posted by Soljer
Robin? 👇

I don't think Tim Drake is nearly as skilled as....Bullseye, Nightwing, Nick Fury, etc.

Originally posted by Soljer
Kingpin? 👇 He doesn't show nearly enough skill.

Originally posted by Soljer
Question? 👆

Originally posted by Soljer
Night Thrasher? 👇

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm indifferent towards Black Canary replacing Connor, though I'd like to hear a little more on the subject.

Originally posted by Soljer
I vote no on Elektra, personally. I think Daredevil would deserve the spot before her, on pure skill.

Originally posted by Soljer
If Daredevil1 does propose someone for Deathstroke to replace, consider me a no vote for him to move up. It's a constant that he beats others due to his physical enhancements. Pure skill, Ollie seemed to look his superior, as has Batman on numerous occasions.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Ogun, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Echo, Elektra, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Moon Knight, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Ra's al Ghul, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Sabretooth, Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Arsenal, Bane, Blade, Dr Strange, Hercules, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Night Thrasher, Midnighter, Punisher, Psylocke, Robin, Shadowcat, US Agent,Speedy

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Misty Knight, Mystique, The Question, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Catwoman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For/Votes Against)
[Alfheim]:
Punisher to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 6 (jinzin, Nataku, V, Soljer, marvelprince and I)
Kingpin to Second Tier: 1 (Alfheim) / 2 (Soljer, marvelprince)
[Me]Sabretooth to Third Tier: 3 (jinzin? V and Soljer) / 1 (capt)
[marvelprince]:
Question to Third Tier: 1 (mp) / 0
Night Thrasher to Second Tier: 1 (mp) / 2 (Soljer, jinzin)
Elektra to the remaining Marvel Top Tier spot: 3 (mp, Accel, jinzin?) / 0
[Devil Lance]: Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, Soljer)?
[jinzin]:
Moon Knight to Third: 3 (Soljer, mp, jinzin) / 0
Robin to Second: 1 (jinzin) / 0

Comments:
-One open Marvel Top Tier spot. Two open Indie/Other spots.
-Daredevil1 you'd have to nominate someone for Deathstroke to replace in the top tier.
-Did I miss any proposed changes or votes? Have any votes been interpreted incorrectly?
-I think the Punisher movement has been defeated. Unless there's at least one or two votes in favour of it before the next update I'm removing it from the proposed changes.
Edit: capt I'm unsure what exactly you meant by "winterer", Winter Soldier?