Ranks for MAs · Comic Books

hey everyone- i appreciate all the hard work,and the thread(MA ratings) wont make or break me, i wont argue for pages, i think i mentioned it some pages back,so i apologize if i seem like whining

Nightwing do you guys think he belongs where he is? i would like to see him up there with bats and co.

Anyway thanks for the input everyone, i am 36 years old and have watched him grow into nightwing,maybe i am a fanboy,but i think he is up there

No disrespect intended

Nataku8188 KMC Tyrant

Originally posted by capt it up
who is that?
also no one ever answers my heavy duty question why do people always forgett about the one black GI JOE lol

No one likes black people, duh.

I couldn't honestly say, my exposure to GI Joe in recent memory (Within the last few months, I have a hard time remembering a lot of stuff before I joined the military, BMT kinda purges your mind of a lot of useless facts, like, how to beat video games and comic book knowledge) is my Master and Apprentice comics.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by starlock
hey everyone- i appreciate all the hard work,and the thread(MA ratings) wont make or break me, i wont argue for pages, i think i mentioned it some pages back,so i apologize if i seem like whining
Nightwing do you guys think he belongs where he is? i would like to see him up there with bats and co.
Anyway thanks for the input everyone, i am 36 years old and have watched him grow into nightwing,maybe i am a fanboy,but i think he is up there
No disrespect intended

I understand your position, however, Dick lacks the feats to place him at Bruce or Shiva level. He may become good enough to reach that level eventually, but as is? Bruce, Shiva, Dragon, and their ilk are just represented as the more skillful people in DC.

Martian_mind telepathy+debates+=Pwned

Official list update and proposed changes update.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), O-Sensei, Ogun, Snake Eyes, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Shatterstar, Silver Samurai, Stone, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moondragon, Moon Knight, Nightcrawler, Night Thrasher, Onyx, Punisher, Psylocke, The Question, Robin, Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Thor, US Agent, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat,Blue Devil
, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Tarantula, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast,Grace, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man,
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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to replace Elektra: 1 (Alfheim) / 3 (Soljer, capt and I)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (V, capt, mp)
or Gorgon to replace Elektra: 2 (Soljer, jinzin) / 2 (capt, mp)
[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to replace Elektra: 1 (MM) / 3 (V, Soljer and I)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 2 (MM, Soljer)

Comments:
-Elektra claims the 7th Top Tier spot, with 5 votes in favor and opposition retracted.
-Midnight Sun is moved to Second Tier with 3 votes in favor and none opposed.
-added Grace,Blue Devil

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Does CotU have enough good showings to put him at CosmicTier?

I suggest Grey or Prof Hulk for bottom tier. They've shown some limited skill but not really train MA skill.

Martian_mind telepathy+debates+=Pwned

I'm with Sym.He is all Hyperbole and it seemd should be in 4th or thhird based off actual showings...

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Originally posted by HigH ScholaR
Midnight Sun to stay in Cosmic tier
here's him as midnight (before upgrade)
He beats Shang chi twice (sparring) at the end Shang chi states they are normally equal

The list is supposed to take into account only skill, so what you're saying here would give him claim to a top tier spot perhaps to replace one of the others. But it wouldn't necessarily put him above. If Shang Chi was given the same power upgrades as Midnight Sun was in this hierarchy he'd still only be where he is right now at highest.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

Cleaned up and updated official list and proposed changes update.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), O-Sensei, Ogun, Snake Eyes, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Shatterstar, Silver Samurai, Stone, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Tarantula, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to replace Elektra: 1 (Alfheim) / 3 (Soljer, capt and I)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (V, capt, mp)
or Gorgon to replace Elektra: 2 (Soljer, jinzin) / 2 (capt, mp)
[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to replace Elektra: 1 (MM) / 3 (V, Soljer and I)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 2 (MM, Soljer)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 3 (Soljer, V and I) / 1 (High_Scholar)
[capt]
Lady Deathstrike to Second Tier: 1 (capt) /

Comments:
-Midnight Sun temporarily moved back to Cosmic for further discussion.
-There are multiple Swordsman which one in particular are we referring to?
-We can discuss Champion a bit more and then put it to a vote.
Additions: Blue Devil, Grace Choi, Carol Danvers, Hulk, Puck, Wild Child, Black Knight.
-I put Falcon in 4th unless someone puts something to show he should be higher.
-Damian Wayne? I don't think he should be higher than Robin. I'd put Terry as a third as well?
-As for Nightwing, while he is very very skilled he isn't on par with the Shivas and the Captain Americas.

Martian_mind telepathy+debates+=Pwned

Yes on Damien and Terry,I concur with X.

marvelprince Illuminati Founder

No Damian should be higher than Tim. Terry has seemed more of a brawler so he's third for me.

The Swordsman being refered to I'd assume is the current Swordsman over in Thunderbolts, Andreas Strucker.

Also Colleen Wing should go up. She's a samurai and primarily relies on swords, but she gave Iron Fist a run for his money when she was possessed. She's at least a third tier fighter.

I vote against Calbe bumped off Elektra.

Does White Tiger qualify for this list? Its the amulets that power her so I'm not sure if she qualifies.

I also propose Steel Serpent (Iron Fist foe). Since the top spots are all taken I guess he'll have to go in the second tier

Martian_mind telepathy+debates+=Pwned

Tim beat Damien......he only seemed to lose after he was cheapshotted and fell of the T-rex...

marvelprince Illuminati Founder

Sry, thats supposed to be shouldn't. I was agreeing that both Damien and Terry should be 3rd tier

Accel Senior Member

I'm kind of wondering where Superman would rank? I would personally say third tier.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Accel
I'm kind of wondering where Superman would rank? I would personally say third tier.

His best skill feats have been taking down a few street punks while depowered, and using a nerve strike or two.

I could see him in third, but I could just as easily see him in fourth, personally.

Accel Senior Member

Probably. I'm not very sure of his overall skill level to be honest.

Hasn't the guy mastered Kryptonian martial arts or something like that?