Ranks for MAs

... I'm not reading through 25 pages.

Has current Drax been discussed?
Jessica Drew?
Iron Man?
Talia al Ghul?
Dr. Strange?
Black Bolt should be in at least third, probably second.
I'm happily surprised that Domino was included without my persuasion.

You can thank me for Dominoes placement...

Iron man is there too...

Talia as well....

likewise DS...

Meh. I looked at the list quickly, then wrote down some names. Could someone atleast properly alphabetize it?

And I maintain that Black Bolt is second tier.

Where is it unalphabetical?

If you want to find someone on the list, just use CTRL + F.

Originally posted by Soljer
Where is it unalphabetical?

Oh, and Martian, I figured it was you. blush2

So, I would rate Jessica Drew as third tier and Black Bolt as second.

Oh, and I think Wonder Woman should go up

I wouldn't object to Colleen Wing moving up.

I don't think Talia al Ghul is on the list yet actually. Second or third?

I'd have to see some skill feats before agreeing with Black Bolt being 2nd tier.

I would put Superman in 4th. Lack of skill feats. And there are a few in 3rd I'd consider bumping down at some point.

Jessica Drew for 3rd is okay.

WW isn't as skilled as the current top tiers.

Cleaned up and updated official list and proposed changes update.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), O-Sensei, Ogun, Snake Eyes, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Shatterstar, Silver Samurai, Stone, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Tarantula, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to replace Elektra: 1 (Alfheim) / 3 (Soljer, capt and I)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (V, capt, mp)
or Gorgon to replace Elektra: 2 (Soljer, jinzin) / 2 (capt, mp)
[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to replace Elektra: 1 (MM) / 3 (V, Soljer and I)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 2 (MM, Soljer)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 3 (Soljer, V and I) / 1 (High_Scholar)
[capt]
Lady Deathstrike to Second Tier: 1 (capt) /

Comments:
-Midnight Sun temporarily moved back to Cosmic for further discussion.
-There are multiple Swordsman which one in particular are we referring to?
-We can discuss Champion a bit more and then put it to a vote.
Additions: Blue Devil, Grace Choi, Carol Danvers, Hulk, Puck, Wild Child, Black Knight.
-I put Falcon in 4th unless someone puts something to show he should be higher.

*Domino should go up*

Originally posted by Martian_mind
*Domino should go up*

I think I'll propose Talia for second though.

I vote no to Black Canary replacing Connor Hawke.

Edit: Would Big Barda go on this list?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I'd have to see some skill feats before agreeing with Black Bolt being 2nd tier.

Domino should stay where she is.

Jessica Drew needs to at least be second tier. She's Hydra and SHIELD trained with personal training from Taskmaster.

Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Midnight Sun, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), O-Sensei, Ogun, Snake Eyes, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Bolt, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Drax, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon, Green Arrow, Karnak, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Shatterstar, Silver Samurai, Stone, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Deathstrike, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Black Cat, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Iron-Man, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Tarantula, Thing

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Spider-Man

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

[Alfheim]:
Black Panther to replace Elektra: 1 (Alfheim) / 3 (Soljer, capt and I)
[Devil Lance]:
Black Canary to replace Connor Hawke: 1 (DL) / 2 (mp, V)
[jinzin]:
Gorgon to Uber: 1 (jinzin) / 3 (V, capt, mp)
or Gorgon to replace Elektra: 2 (Soljer, jinzin) / 2 (capt, mp)
[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
Cable to replace Elektra: 1 (MM) / 3 (V, Soljer and I)
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 2 (MM, Soljer)
[me]
Midnight Sun to Second: 3 (Soljer, V and I) / 1 (High_Scholar)
[capt]
Lady Deathstrike to Second Tier: 1 (capt) /

Oh, and Domino should move up.

People should stop reposting the list every page, let X do that, just post the proposed changes section.

I think 2nd tier is to high for Mar-Vell and Drax. Can't even remember that many martial arts feats by either.

I don't know much about Mar-Vell, but Drax was made to kill Thanos. He possesses an equal level of skill to the Titan. If anything he should go up, not down. I think he's fine where he is though

Originally posted by marvelprince
I don't know much about Mar-Vell, but Drax was made to kill Thanos. He possesses an equal level of skill to the Titan. If anything he should go up, not down. I think he's fine where he is though

Maybe if he was successful in killing Thanos I'd see that as a valid point, thing is, he hasn't. You've gotta think, not many people know Thanos is a very skilled martial artist, he doesn't show it often because he typically doesn't need to.

I don't think its ever been said Drax posseses an equal level of skill to Thanos, he just has powers that make him effective against Thanos.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
He's never been defeated in H2H, and has taken down(individually) Ronan, Ikarus, Thing, and Skar, and has held his own against the Hulk, Thor, and a team of the Fantastic Four, Namor, Karnak, Gorgon and Medusa.

Which could, potentially, say absolutely nothing about skill, 😉.

Also; how about Adam Warlock? He's pretty damned skilled.