Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually, i havent seen Strange in action to put him in the same MA range as some of the people in the third tier. A few feats puts him in a tier that people have been doing consistantly for years? I dont see it.

If he feats that are on par with said people, regardless of whether he does him all the time or not shouldn't take away from them

Originally posted by jrodslam
As for Kingpin, you seem stuck on strength and speed. I was talking about the skill that hes actually shown. His strength and speed plays a part in his fighting, but the skills are shown to. Usually foremost when fighting skilled ma's or fighters.

Like I said I've seen nothing to suggest skill from Fisk. I keep saying skill and speed because that's all I've seen. I still fail to see the corelation to him beat skilled MA's by overpowering them.

Originally posted by jrodslam
At times it may seem that the rankings or listing are a bit biased. I could have sworn this is a Martial Arts ranking list, but Hercules, Thor/BRB, Black Bolt, Strange and Nightcrawler for examples are in the same martial arts tier as Psylocke, Huntress, Domino and Kingpin? I just dont see it.😬

Beta Ray Bill was a gladiator for his people and outfought all the fighters on his planet to become their champion.

Hercules, expert wrestler with thousands of years experience.

Nightcrawler, well versed in several different styles including swordfighting.

Just cause they don't play on it all the time doesn't mean its not there. Can't believe you seriously think so much of Fisk to put him in the same league as Psylocke 😬

Kingpin is a near-Daredevil level martial artist. The guy beats on like eight black belts on the same time.

I would support a move for Blackbolt down and could support a move for Madrox up.

Fury and Daredevil can't move up without either 1) displacing a current top tier or 2) receiving more votes than any of Gorgon, Moondragon etc.

I could actually probably support Moondragon being in the Uber tier but not certain yet.

Kingpin I'm ambivalent about.

Black Bolt should stay put.

But in terms of skill I don't know where I'd place Ikaris. Basically it's a matter of if one removed all of Black Bolt's Inhuman powers, all else being equal, would he be able to match a good proportion of those in his tier.

P.S. I like the art in that scan.

Yeah, me too.

All right, here he is taking down one of the best Kree warriors, in a powerless duel...

PS- Ikaris has quite a reputation for H2H skills, and had the obvious speed advantage in the fight, as well as getting the jump on Black Bolt from behind... and BB took him down in three moves.

Hmm, well I'm somewhat convinced he shouldn't be moved down, but I'm still pretty adamant that he shouldn't be moved up.

Also have received vote for the movement of BP into top tier, that will be factored in in the next update.

Just because I feel like adding:

Here he takes down Montog, professed to be the most skilled Kree warrior, never defeated:

It seemed more "brawl-ish" than "skill-ish."

I'm not supporting a move down at present due to H2H weapons proficiency in the above scans... but frankly Hawkman, Hawkgirl and Zauriel are in the 4th tier based on their weapons proficiency; so...

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Just because I feel like adding:

Here he takes down Montog, professed to be the most skilled Kree warrior, never defeated:

Speaking of which, I vote Mar-Vell, and Adam Warlock to go to the top spot.
And, how exactly did Champion get anywhere near there?

Champion is... an issue for discussion, of which I'm ambivalent about.

Mar-Vell and Warlock need to either gain sufficient votes to beat the current contenders, or enough votes to displace the current top tiers. The top tier is limited, to avoid it losing significance.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Kingpin is a near-Daredevil level martial artist. The guy beats on like eight black belts on the same time.

Beating them by overpowering them is quite different from possessing Daredevil-like skills.

Aside from being an expert sumo wrestler Kingpin doesn't have much MA skill.

Bump. Too much effort, bitching, and moaning went into this thread.

Also - what does everyone think of propositioning Digi to put a link to this thread on the front page of the Tiering thread?

I'd say it's sensible, and not too much to ask. As long as Digi updates the first post every now and again with the 'corrected' hierarchy. Or we create a new thread altogether with the 'corrected' or 'current' hierarchy.

G-L-A-M,O-R,O-U-S

Originally posted by Soljer
Also - what does everyone think of propositioning Digi to put a link to this thread on the front page of the Tiering thread?

I'd say it's sensible, and not too much to ask. As long as Digi updates the first post every now and again with the 'corrected' hierarchy. Or we create a new thread altogether with the 'corrected' or 'current' hierarchy.

Bump. 🙂.

Moondragon should go to top tier before Black Canary should.

And are we basing Taskmaster in top tier on his abilities?