Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Moondragon should go to top tier before Black Canary should.

Moondragon is a Marvel character. Black Canary is DC. The method X is using involves a certain number of characters from each company. If Black Canary deserves to be top tier more than a DC character, it doesn't matter if Moondragon deserves it more than Black Canary, assuming she DOESN'T deserve it more than a Marvel character.

I'm not saying that Moondragon shouldn't go to top tier, I'm just saying that deserving it more than a DC character doesn't really matter in this system.

srug

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And are we basing Taskmaster in top tier on his abilities?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Haven't updated in a bit so... official list and proposed changes update.

[b]Current Hierarchy

Cosmic Tier: (Universal Martial Artists)
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Revered Martial Artists)
Kirigi (DC), O-Sensei, Ogun, Snake Eyes, Stick

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists)
Agent X, Azrael, Black Canary, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Daredevil, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists)
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artist)
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill)
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

[Marvel Top Tier]
Gorgon (3): jinzin, capt, Soljer?
Moondragon (2): Martian_Mind, SpunkySmurph
Cable (1): Martian_Mind
Black Panther (1): Alfheim
[DC Top Tier]
Black Canary (1): DL

[Martian_Mind]
Boom Boom to Third: 1 (MM) /
[Nataku]
Ares to Second: 2 (V, Nat) / 2 (MM, Soljer)

Changes:
Shatterstar to Third: 2 (me, jinzin?) / 0

Additions: Lady Vic
-Hasn't really been any discussion of Drax, Adam Warlock and Mar-Vell?
-There are two top tier spots open for Indie/Other that are left idle...

Comments:
-Would anyone support moving Mantis down a tier? Or is she good where she is.
-I don't think I'd support Batman moving any higher than he is. [/B]

If you're gonna put the turtles on there, where would Shredder go?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And are we basing Taskmaster in top tier on his abilities?

For that matter, Gamora belongs in the Uber tier.

Originally posted by outavodka
not that it matters its his power that makes him the MA badass he is, but that fact that he is that damn good as a MA-rtist.

I really don't.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
If you're gonna put the turtles on there, where would Shredder go?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
If you took away his powers, do you think he'd belong there?

I really don't.

Originally posted by outavodka
depends on who ya take it from, so the guy picks up quick....REALLY QUICK!...your gona do him in like the MLB assosiation is with their players n steroids n such? 🙁

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Shouldn't he be categorized based on his personal skill level?

Originally posted by outavodka
whos to say we havnt seen it, other than the fact that we know he has power to pick up an entire fighting style within watching 10 seconds of a demonstration. 🙄 i mean its not like he can pull muscles and a athletic body outa nowhere.

He may have achieved the skill through the use of his powers, but he achieved it nonetheless. I don't have a problem with his location.

Thread kind of died down for a bit so didn't post any updates. Will do one when I get home from work. IIRC there's still one top tier spot for each universe and two left for indie characters - currently Gorgon has the most votes for the Marvel one and Black Canary? for the DC one? The people in the Uber tier should be reevaluated, likewise the Cosmic. Some shuffling might have to be done of them.

As far as linking to this thread from the main tiering thread, a link would probably suffice, I don't know if it's really necessary to have the actual rankings there nor to have a new pinned thread..

I think there are people who belong in top tier before Taskmaster...

Also, I would put Moondragon in Top tier before Gorgon, though she should be in Uber.

Originally posted by Soljer
He may have achieved the skill through the use of his powers, but he achieved it nonetheless. I don't have a problem with his location.

Let me put it this way. If you're gonna put Prometheus up there, (and IMO, he is much more of a 'cheater' than Tasky), you have to give Taskmaster the benefit of the doubt as well.

Gamora has earned Cosmic level. Did you see her fight with Ronan the accuser?

I don't really have any issue with bumping Moondragon to uber if she can hold her own well enough against Mantis H2H and has the similar training pedigree. Trickster I think you meant to quote Spunky not Soljer. And Prometheus is only in the second tiering.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Let me put it this way. If you're gonna put Prometheus up there, (and IMO, he is much more of a 'cheater' than Tasky), you have to give Taskmaster the benefit of the doubt as well.

Gamora has earned Cosmic level. Did you see her fight with Ronan the accuser?

Does anybody know about the skill level of Savage Dragon?

Prometheus earned his 2nd tier placing by pwning a giant shapeshifting alien before upgrades.

Tasky ain't done shit without his powers...