Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by capt it up
what? Niether one has shown top tier fighting skills let a lone cosmic unless im mistaken..........

Mar-Vell, well, Mar-Vell at his lowest power, have him fighting Namor underwater in h2h.
Beating up Thing.
Beating up 5 Iron Man level people (who also crushed Iron Man).
Punching out Iron Man (at Mar-Vell's weakest level), after he fought him, and then weakened him with an Ion blaster.
Stopped Hulk momentarly with a pressure point.

Etc.

Mar-Vell won most of his fights because of his fighting skill. I vote move the guy up.

Mar-Vell was after all in the Kree Military, I vote move him up too.

Loki should be on there...

Take Daredevil out of top tier, and put in Guy Smith

Smurf classic,i like it....

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So if either Warlock or Mar-Vell are to be moved up they need to replace someone in the top tier...

Daredevil?

Nightpin?

Does Wolverine have any decent new feats?

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Smurf classic,i like it....

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Take Daredevil out of top tier, and put in Guy Smith

Meh... I'm not going to vote for or against it...

Current Hierarchy [164]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Champion of the Universe, Gamora, Karate Kid, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [8]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Mantis, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [49]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Ares (Marvel) Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [49]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Champion down to second tier?: 4? (me, MM, Trickster, Fake McCoy?) / 0

Additions: Jason Blood, Judomaster, Grendel, Merlyn (DC), Backlash, Cheshire
Opposition to their placement? N.B. for characters in 2nd tier if you want to propose a move up you'll need to suggest a character to supplant.
Changes:-
Daredevil (4): mp, jrodslam, Soljer, CasanoVa
-With my 5th vote, Daredevil takes the remaining Marvel top tier spot. As the list grows another spot will open up though. If people still feel another character deserves a spot, for now they can propose to have their chosen character replace another in the top tier from the respective company.
-There seems to be no opposition for Mantis to move down so the proposed change passes and she's moved down to Uber.
-Champion will be moved as soon as I can figure out where everyone wants to move him.

Comments:
-Could people who have voted on moving Champion down clarify to where they would move him?
-I'm not sure which version of White Tiger is being referred to, clarification?
-From what I can find on Judomaster, Bane killed him. 😬
-More proposed changes? Additions?

I say Omega Red should be on here, but I'm not sure where. Added Ares (Marvel)

I have no idea what you've changed and what you haven't, if anything.

Ares is already in the hierarchy. There hasn't really been enough to warrant a repost of the list, which is why I didn't do it yet. 😬

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

-There seems to be no opposition for Mantis to move down so the proposed change passes and she's moved down to Uber.

Plus, you forgot Warlock, and Mar-Vell.

I'm pretty sure that was actually copied from my post.

There was no opposition to moving her down a tier. Mantis and Moondragon stalemated iirc. Mantis' claim to fame is that she KOed Thor hitting him in the back of the neck, while she only had normal human strength, which made little sense. In another instance she KOed Thor and somehow Vision with a hit, Vision i.e. the android i.e. lacking physiology.

You can propose moving her back up though...

Warlock and Mar-Vell are already in the hierarchy, and if they're to be moved any higher than they'll need to take the place of others in the top tier - so you'll need to suggest someone for each of them to replace.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm pretty sure that was actually copied from my post.

There was no opposition to moving her down a tier. Mantis and Moondragon stalemated iirc. Mantis' claim to fame is that she KOed Thor hitting him in the back of the neck, while she only had normal human strength, which made little sense. In another instance she KOed Thor and somehow Vision with a hit, Vision i.e. the android i.e. lacking physiology.

You can propose moving her back up though...

Maybe the hit was just hard on Vision...

Also, I would propose switching out Champion, and at the least, they are "uber tier".

Update:

Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Champion down to second tier?: 5 (me, MM, Trickster, Fake McCoy?) / 0
Ares to second tier: 2 (TP, llagrok) /
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 (bran) /
Warlock to uber 1 (bran) /

Proposed Additions:
Mr Sensitive to second tier
White Tiger (Angela del Toro) to second tier
Loki to ?
Omega Red to ?
Namor should probably be somewhere on here too.

Comments:
-Champion will be moved down next update.
-I'm not sure which version of White Tiger is being referred to, clarification?
-More proposed changes? Additions?

NB Just a general reminder, the hierarchy is meant to be based on skill only.

Loki should either be in Thors tier or the one beneath.

Thena should be in second/Top tier.

Also Orion/Big Barda are missing.

When did Thena show such high H2H skills?