Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by AcousticDoc
No way. Iron fist only gets his top tier rank because he's proclaimed by some (and himself) to be one of the top 3 fighters in Marvel Earth. However, his feats pale to Cap, DD and BP. Often times he is forced to rely on his IF, instead of just toughing out a fight (like the punisher) or changing strategy (like cap). Taking away the his Iron fist, he would only be second tier.

Even with his Iron fist, I still see Cap, BP, and maybe even DD taking the majority from him.

But thats just my two cents.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Since Cables definetively shown to be his superior,io would agree(only to boost Cable)

I know,i always said he should be top-tier,but they wouldn't listen.

he's already outmatched Wolverine in sheer H2H before.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I know,i always said he should be top-tier,but they wouldn't listen.

he's already outmatched Wolverine in sheer H2H before.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Oh, and he's punched around Apoc multiple times.
One was right after he beat Deathverine.

He beat an army of the worlds greatest warriors without getting a scratch and then killed Apoc form the first time.

stupid country,nopt giving Cable his due....

Originally posted by Martian_mind
He beat an army of the worlds greatest warriors without getting a scratch and then killed Apoc form the first time.

stupid country,nopt giving Cable his due....

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Beaten Deadpool twice, and also stopped him in a training session when he was powerless.

Judo tossed Deadpool 50 feet and two stories high whilst completely depowered and his body was being ripped apart.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Oh, and he's punched around Apoc multiple times, gotten the better of him...
One was right after he beat Deathverine.

Stop fanboying.

He beat Wolverine by pushing him down a shaft, it was sheer luck. He has never beaten Apocalypse with skill, hell the only time he was even close was when Liefeld was writing.

Iron Fist to stay where he is.
Warlock for über tier

Originally posted by llagrok

Iron Fist to stay where he is.

MY only problem with the top teir bracket is, I look at it as being everybody in the top teir should be able to take a solid mojority over those in the second Tier, and thats not the case for alot of those in the top.

And I believe if you are in the top teir, you should be able to give hell to any other fighter in the top tier.

I dont see Iron fist giving cap, wolverine, batman and a few others hell.

Iron fist got school by a cap who was treating him like a kid, throughly, Iron fist was schooled by a panther who didnt even want to fight him, until the end of course when panther thought he broke his mind control.

And, since Domino > Cable in H2H, she should be up there as well. 🙂

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And, since Domino > Cable in H2H, she should be up there as well. 🙂

She almost stalemated deadpool back in the day.

Yeah... but Deadpool SHOULD be top tier.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Yeah... but Deadpool SHOULD be top tier.

Dare we vote for him to move up?

And replace who?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And replace who?

I'm going to get a tremendous amount of flak for this......., ermm but why is Wolverine in top tier? Deadpool kicked his ass 3 times, he's got more of a right to be there than Logan does. Not to mention, he beat down an entire bar of super villains while he was 3 inches tall. Btw, why is Black Canary in top tier? Is she that good? 😕

Deadpool's never had a definite win over Wolverine, as there's always been a plot twist involved.

Wolverine's highly skilled.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
And, since Domino > Cable in H2H, she should be up there as well. 🙂

Nah,Domino has an orgasm everytime she see's Cable in action,she's not his class.

Update.

Current Hierarchy [168]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [3]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [8]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Mantis, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [50]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

Ares to second tier: 2 (TP, llagrok) / 1 (capt)
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 (bran) /
Warlock to uber: 2 (bran, ll) /
Mantis down to uber: 2 (Soljer, I) / 1 (bran)

Proposed Additions:
Loki to ?
Omega Red to second or third tier, more support for second
Namor should probably be somewhere on here too.

Additions: Omega Red, White Tiger, Mr Sensitive - all are subject to change. Opposition to their placement? N.B. for characters in 2nd tier if you want to propose a move up you'll need to suggest a character to supplant.
Changes:-
-Champion down to second tier, no votes against, 5 votes in favor
-Mantis moves back up to cosmic until more consensus is reached.

Comments:
-More proposed changes? Additions?
-There's a lot of discussion about the top tier but no one is actually specifically proposing that someone in the current group be replaced by someone else, as far as I can tell.

We already have 3 people voting to move Iron Fist down. Why does he have to stay top tier?

Soljer said he stays.

I said he stays
X said he stays
Smurf said he stays

thats 4 right there,that chumps three.