Originally posted by AcousticDocThat would leave an empty spot. I'd rather he be replaced with someone than leave an empty spot. And as noted there is opposition to his movement.
We already have 3 people voting to move Iron Fist down. Why does he have to stay top tier?
Although I'm relatively ambivalent. So it's 3 for, 3 against.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Soljer said he stays.I said he stays
X said he stays
Smurf said he staysthats 4 right there,that chumps three.
I just wanna know, how do you justify Iron fist getting schooled by both panther and cap, yet you think he is in caps leauge, and better then panther. And didnt wolverine School Shang Chi quite badly also, like a no contest fight basically!?
Also, (dont know if this has been discussed), is Taskmaster really top tier, or is his "skill" just a cool "power".
(of course everyone knows I vote panther to top)
Also Im with TP, is Black Canary Really that good?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I just wanna know, how do you justify Iron fist getting schooled by both panther and cap, yet you think he is in caps leauge, and better then panther. And didnt wolverine School Shang Chi quite badly also, like a no contest fight basically!?Also, (dont know if this has been discussed), is Taskmaster really top tier, or is his "skill" just a cool "power".
(of course everyone knows I vote panther to top)
Also Im with TP, is Black Canary Really that good?
A while back I posted why TM should be top tier.
Also- Deadpool should be in Wolverine's tier. He's beaten Wolverine every time they've had a fight (Except the one time where he wanted Wolvie to impale him). Plot twists aside, judging by his performance in all of those fights he still would've been going toe to toe with him.
Too lazy to post more.
DP to replace IF.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I just wanna know, how do you justify Iron fist getting schooled by both panther and cap, yet you think he is in caps leauge, and better then panther. And didnt wolverine School Shang Chi quite badly also, like a no contest fight basically!?Also, (dont know if this has been discussed), is Taskmaster really top tier, or is his "skill" just a cool "power".
(of course everyone knows I vote panther to top)
Also Im with TP, is Black Canary Really that good?
I'm for moving IF down, but I wouldn't say he got schooled by both CAP and Panther. his fight with Cap was in cap's favor but it wasn't too one sided. And Panther almost got himself killed trying to stop a mind controlled IF. Danny's a good fighter, but I don't think he's in the same league as cap. And Wolverine schooled Shen Kuei (Chi's said equal) not Shang Chi himself.
However, I don't think IF should be replaced with DP, since IF has been able to better Deadpool in their encounters.
I also DONT think Iron Fist should be moved down. TRUE, in the past, fighters like Cap and Daredevil didnt take him too seriously, but hes still "better than most" as DD stated which is true imo.
As for Omega Red being moved up, he IS highly skilled, but him fighting in pure h2h isnt seen that much without him using his tentacles. Are the tentacles being taken into account here? Because they greatly enhances his combat rating/ability imo. Without them, hed be good, due to much training, experience, durability, strength and healing factor.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Soljer said he stays.I said he stays
X said he stays
Smurf said he staysthats 4 right there,that chumps three.
Make that 5. I say keep IF in top tier. He beat down the freaking wrecking crew. Not to mention, the time he fought Cap was in the same issue. He was already exhausted from fighting the crew, AND HE STILL WAS STALEMATING HIM! 😛
Btw, Fist has stalemated DP twice. And Pool's fight against Shen Kuei? He was drooling. It's like Spidey fighting Cap. And Shen Kuei admited that he wouldn't be able to beat Deadpool in a straight fight.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Make that 5. I say keep IF in top tier. He beat down the freaking wrecking crew. Not to mention, the time he fought Cap was in the same issue. He was already exhausted from fighting the crew, AND HE STILL WAS STALEMATING HIM! 😛Btw, Fist has stalemated DP twice. And Pool's fight against Shen Kuei? He was drooling. It's like Spidey fighting Cap. And Shen Kuei admited that he wouldn't be able to beat Deadpool in a straight fight.
Correction; While Danny did not outright BEAT Deadpool, he was CERTAINLY portrayed as his superior on both occasions. Iron Fist also stalemated Shen Kuei a while back, and only lost because he was distracted by his woman. Later, he utterly dominated Shen Kuei.
Further; Kuei never said he wouldn't be able to beat Wade in a straight up fight. He said something along the lines of 'I may not survive another encounter with you...but then again...neither might you,' if I recall correctly. I have the comic somewhere, but don't feel like digging it up.
Originally posted by Soljer
Correction; While Danny did not outright BEAT Deadpool, he was CERTAINLY portrayed as his superior on both occasions. Iron Fist also stalemated Shen Kuei a while back, and only lost because he was distracted by his woman. Later, he utterly dominated Shen Kuei.Further; Kuei never said he wouldn't be able to beat Wade in a straight up fight. He said something along the lines of 'I may not survive another encounter with you...but then again...neither might you,' if I recall correctly. I have the comic somewhere, but don't feel like digging it up.
Just cause I feel like proving you wrong. 😛
Here's Wade drooling in their first fight.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/issue085.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41956
the fight.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/issue085.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41957
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/issue085.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41958
Shen Kuei: "And quite honestly, I doubt I would survive a 2nd battle with you, or vice-versa."
Oh wait.......I just proved you right. doh 😛 I still say Wade is on Shen Kuei's tier.
Last thing. Deadpool spaced out during his 2nd fight with Iron Fist cause he figured out who he was fighting.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Just cause I feel like proving you wrong. 😛Here's Wade drooling in their first fight.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/issue085.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41956the fight.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/issue085.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41957
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/issue085.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41958Shen Kuei: "And quite honestly, I doubt I would survive a 2nd battle with you, or vice-versa."
Oh wait.......I just proved you right. doh 😛 I still say Wade is on Shen Kuei's tier.
Last thing. Deadpool spaced out during his 2nd fight with Iron Fist cause he figured out who he was fighting.
Deadpool spaced at the end of the fight. There was not another attack nor blow landed between Deadpool and Danny after Deadpool figured out that 'Daredevil' was actually Rand.
Also; you neglected to say anything concerning Iron Fist's display of superiority.
In their first fight, Danny successfully attacks Deadpool three times. He is only struck a SINGLE time, but uses this strike to his advantage to throw Deadpool into Luke Cage.
In their second, Danny (while using Matt's batons and Matt's fighting style - something he is unaccustomed to) tags Deadpool three times while not being hit once.
Was it a stomp? No. Did it show that Iron Fist is more skilled than Deadpool? Certainly.
You could make the case that Deadpool was just ****ing around, of course. Because, well, he ALWAYS is. I am of the school of thought that believes that a serious Deadpool could very well be top tier. However, since we see 'serious' wade so little, I don't believe there is enough evidence to support that idea.
Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Really? I would take Cable's account of her being able to outfight his entire team to be slightly contrary to this.
Was Cable among that team?
cause you know,I highly doubt that Cable was being mentioned,even moreso considering Domino has cheapshotted Cable in the head from behind,and Cable barely flinched.
IF is a top tier. Hell that time capt did beat IF was due to major plot devices if I recall correctly.
Also DD was having trouble with IF when IF was mimicing DD style.
Also as for DP being in wolveriens tier. I do nto support. People said he beat wolverine every time they foguht? N0one of that was due to skill. Logan either had no working healing factor or DP had a one time plot device weapon designed to take logan out. So im finding it hard to take that arguement serous enough to give DP the top tier spot.
As for cable what has he done?
Originally posted by AcousticDoc
Quite the opposite. IF was getting smacked around so badly that he had to abandon his daredevil disguise (by using his power) and rely on his Iron Fist punch to stop the fight (which Matt dodged).
I own the macth and DD was smacking any one around. IF was still giving him a run for his money and He was using style that was very different from his own.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Make that 5. I say keep IF in top tier. He beat down the freaking wrecking crew. Not to mention, the time he fought Cap was in the same issue. He was already exhausted from fighting the crew, AND HE STILL WAS STALEMATING HIM!
Yea I give props to IF for beating down Thor-level rogues as a street leveler, but that is due to his powers and not his fighting ability. any second tier and maybe even third tier fighter could beat those guys if they had a 100+ ton IF punch that they could deliver. Therefore, it's his power and not his actual fighting ability.