Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Bran... for someone to be moved into that tier, someone of the same company must be moved down. So if you're proposing BP up, you should also propose someone to be supplanted.

Shang Chi/Iron fist for Panther.

doesnt matter which one.

Update.

Current Hierarchy [170]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [53]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)

Ares to second tier: 2 (TP, llagrok) / 1 (capt)
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 (bran) /
Warlock to uber: 2 (bran, ll) /
Mantis down to uber: 2 (Soljer, me) / 1 (bran)
Black Panther to replace Iron Fist: 1 (Apolloknight) /
Black Panther to replace Shang Chi: 1 (Apolloknight) /

Proposed Additions:
Loki to ?
Namor should probably be somewhere on here too.

Additions: Added Namor, Loki and Thena to third for now, I haven't seen that much that I'd consider pure skill equal to the collective second tier... whether any of them should be moved down is also up for discussion.
Changes:-
-Mantis moves back up to cosmic until more consensus is reached.
-The majority consensus by more than 2-to-1 is that IF should remain in the top tier. So I consider that change to be defeated. {Iron Fist down to 2nd tier: I can only find 3 but apparently there were 4 for (AcousticDoc, Apolloknight, Nataku[Deadpool to replace]) / 8 (llagrok, MM, Soljer, jrod, Spunky, Trickster, capt, Fake McCoy)}

Comments:
-More proposed changes? Additions?
-There's a lot of discussion about the top tier but no one is actually specifically proposing that someone in the current group be replaced by someone else, as far as I can tell. NB The character must be of the same comic company. The only proposition I've seen thus far is DP to replace IF, which has been defeated afaik.

I will always maintain Cable should be up a tier.....but i'll never garner support.

Besides training Gamora what skill feats does Thanos have.

Also SquirrelGirl to Cosmic based on feats.

Hehe. I will vote for Squirrel Girl to cosmic... it's only logical.

Cable has a shot at top tier... when the list grows big enough that it can fit all the people superior to him + 1. vin

1 against T'Challa replacing Danny Rand, and 1 against T'Challa replacing Shang Chi.

What the? Hawkman/Hawkgirl are in the Fourth Tier?

Hawkman alone has schooled Vandal Savage in combat, and went hand to hand with Batman and was trying to talk him down at the same time.

Grrrr...*points to respect thread*...both are definetly underated here. Especailly considering they have over 4,000 years of fighting experience

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Based on, what exactly?

Race? Current writing?

Hilarious, because I don't actually recall BP not being in the same tier as Cap in comics...
I mean, toying with Deadpool, and showing Wolverine up, should mean something...

Like how DP can go toe to toe with Killmonger, who schooled BP?

I vote against Panther replacing Fist or Shang.

Black Panther's good, but not in the same league as Cap, Danny, Shiva or Batman, if only by a little bit.

1 for BP to move up.

The Guy's been trained since childhood to be a warrior. Mastered several forms of combat (armed and unarmed), and encorperated them into a unique fighting style, wich also encorperates animal movement and agility.

He should be up there with Wolverine and Cap.

Storm should be higher on the list. She has beaten both Calisto and Yukio in h2h and neither of them are to be scuffed at in the skill department.

Deathstroke should be moved down into third tier.

... and Black Panther should stay where he is.

I vote against Black Panther moving up.

I'm also voting to bump Psylocke up one spot, she's had considerable training. She displayed much more skill than Sabretooth when they fought, despite getting eviscerated

I propose that we move Hawkman up, to at least 2nd tier.

Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
I propose that we move Hawkman up, to at least 2nd tier.

2nd the motion. Hawkman is a beast. 👆

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hehe. I will vote for Squirrel Girl to cosmic... it's only logical.

Cable has a shot at top tier... when the list grows big enough that it can fit all the people superior to him + 1. vin

Yeah,it's not like he's got a win over Wolverine whilst he was pulling his punches,or has been shown to be his flkat-out H2H better.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Like how DP can go toe to toe with Killmonger, who schooled BP?

Also, I just said that BP toyed with DP is all.

Galactus to cosmic levels.

I have not gone through all the threads.

But in case it hasn't been mentioned.

Moondragon defeated Mantis in martial art combat. Some other feats off the top of my head.

She defeated a handicapped Captain America.

She knocked down a building size giant with a simple hand strike.

I'll have to check back for more feats.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I have not gone through all the threads.

But in case it hasn't been mentioned.

Moondragon defeated Mantis in martial art combat. Some other feats off the top of my head.

She defeated a handicapped Captain America.

She knocked down a building size giant with a simple hand strike.

I'll have to check back for more feats.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
She also totally sexed Thor.

and now she';s nailing Quasar.

dam,gotta love that.