Ranks for MAs

I too think that Domino should be moved up one tier.

To this day, i still believe that Kingpin, Nick Fury should be moved up. Especially Kingpin.

I also wouldnt mind seeing Taskmaster replaced by Echo.

kingpin should not be top tier nor should nick fury.

also what has echo done that should allow her tot ake taskmaster spot

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Update.

[b]Current Hierarchy [170]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [53]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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Jrod - in order to move Fury up to top tier from second, you'd need to suggest someone for him to replace.

Either Karnak goes up, or X-23 goes down.

Originally posted by Soljer
[b]Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Hawkman to Third: 1 [Mungi] / 0
Mystique to Third: 1 [Smurph] / 0
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 0
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 1 [capt]
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 [bran] / 0
Warlock to uber: 2 [bran, ll] / 0
Mantis down to uber: 2 [Soljer, Xmarks] / 1 [bran]
Kingpin to second: 1 [jrod] / 1 [capt]
Echo to replace Taskmaster 1 [jrod] / 2 [capt, Soljer]

Jrod - in order to move Fury up to top tier from second, you'd need to suggest someone for him to replace. [/B]

I'm against Kinpin to secondand against Echo to replace taskmaster

You'd have to recommend someone for Karnak to replace if you wanted him to go up to top tier.

And - I'm a little unclear, is that an 'official' nomination for X23 to go down?

Current Hierarchy [170]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [53]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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[b]Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Hawkman to Third: 1 [Mungi] / 0
Mystique to Third: 1 [Smurph] / 0
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 0
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 1 [capt]
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 [bran] / 0
Warlock to uber: 2 [bran, ll] / 0
Mantis down to uber: 2 [Soljer, Xmarks] / 1 [bran]
Kingpin to second: 1 [jrod] / 1 [capt, llag]
Echo to replace Taskmaster 1 [jrod] / 3 [capt, Soljer, llag]

I nominate for drizzt to be second tier.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
kingpin should not be top tier nor should nick fury.

also what has echo done that should allow her tot ake taskmaster spot

Im not saying Kingpin should be top tier. Im saying he should be moved up. Second tier definately.

Nick Fury wouldnt be out of place IF he were moved up to top tier.

As far as Echo goes, shes a much smarter fighter than Taskmaster. Shes done better against Daredevil and Wolverine than Taskmaster has.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Im not saying Kingpin should be top tier. Im saying he should be moved up. Second tier definately.

Nick Fury wouldnt be out of place IF he were moved up to top tier.

As far as Echo goes, shes a much smarter fighter than Taskmaster. Shes done better against Daredevil and Wolverine than Taskmaster has.

isent kingpin in second tier?

taskmaster has never fought wolverine.

echo went all out verse logan and logan was trying not to hurt her hell he kept his claws in.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
I nominate for drizzt to be second tier.

We're trying to keep this primarily comic-book-martial artist.

Originally posted by Soljer
We're trying to keep this primarily comic-book-martial artist.

well he is a comic and he allowed in vs forum. He also allowed as team characters. I am pritty sure drizzt and he group are allowed in the comic section so why not here?

it only 3 book characters and they have there own comic line.

I doubt in the least that digi would have any problem with it

What are the qualifications for uber tier? In the last two issues of his series Storm Shadow has teleported and had three frag grenades blow up at his feet and he managed to dodge/avoid all of the shrapnel. Both Tommy and Snake-eyes have done crazy shit, they are more in line with Ogun and Stick, then Batman and Captain America.

I think Hawkman should be moved to Third
I don't think Mystique should be moved to Third
I don't think Domino should be moved to Second
I don't think Ares should be moved to second tier WITHOUT Herc being moved there first.
I don't think Mar-Vell should be moved to uber
I don't think Warlock should be moved to uber
I think Mantis should be moved down to uber
I think Kingpin should be moved to second
I don't think Echo replace Taskmaster

Viper (Madame Hydra) needs to be added to the list. 2nd or 3rd tier.
Silver Samurai should be top tier, he deserves it more the Black Canary or Bronze Tiger.

that feat of storm shadow you mention was more of a reflex feat then skill

I'm:
for Hawkman to third
against Kingpin to second
against Echo replacing TM

Originally posted by Battlehammer
isent kingpin in second tier?

taskmaster has never fought wolverine.

echo went all out verse logan and logan was trying not to hurt her hell he kept his claws in.

Naw Kingpin is Third tier.

Better for Echo then.

Echo wasnt going all out. She was going all out when she fought DD, but not when she fought Logan. ALSO, les not forget that Echo didnt eat OR drink for 3 DAYS. I dont know about you, but that highly, highly impressive to me. Ok, so Logan didnt have his claws out. Isnt he still a Top tier fighter? She shouldnt need them right? That makes Echo look good. Dont you think?

Current Hierarchy [170]

Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [4]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis, Thanos

Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [7]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin

Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine

Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [52]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23

Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [54]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Hercules, Huntress, Katana, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong

Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [27]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Iron-Man, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel

Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Beast, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy

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[b]Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Hawkman to Third: 3 [Mungi, Srank, The Fake Macoy] / 0
Mystique to Third: 1 [Smurph] / 1 [Srank]
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 1 [srank]
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 1 [capt]
Mar-Vell to uber: 1 [bran] / 1 [srank]
Warlock to uber: 2 [bran, ll] / 1 [srank]
Mantis down to uber: 3 [Soljer, Xmarks, Srank] / 1 [bran]
Kingpin to second: 2 [jrod, srank] / 3 [capt, llag, Macoy]
Echo to replace Taskmaster 1 [jrod] / 4 [capt, Soljer, llag, srank, Macoy]

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Additions:
Viper (Madame Hydra) - third tier

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Notes:
Srank, if you'd like Silver Samurai to move to top tier, you'd need to suggest a marvel character for him to replace. Black Canary and Bronze Tiger are both DC characters.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=9398454#post9398454

What about him. He is very good.

I'm not comfortable with Gamora and Thanos being on the same level as Karate Kid. The amazing thing about Karate Kid is that he is a human and skilled as such that he is doing things waaaaaaaaaaaaaay above his physical boundaries. He broke the glass ceiling, and it is all do to skill. Can the same be said for Gamora and Thanos who have amazing physical strength and speed to begin with? Ask your selves, has either Thanos or Gamora accomplished anything that they aren't physically capable of? All the skilled martial artists prove their skills by doing something impossible that they shouldn't be able to accomplish given the boundaries of the human body. Has Thanos done the same? Has Gamora? I don't think there is ample evidence to talk about either of them in the same breath as Karate Kid.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm not comfortable with Gamora and Thanos being on the same level as Karate Kid. The amazing thing about Karate Kid is that he is a human and skilled as such that he is doing things waaaaaaaaaaaaaay above his physical boundaries. He broke the glass ceiling, and it is all do to skill. Can the same be said for Gamora and Thanos who have amazing physical strength and speed to begin with? Ask your selves, has either Thanos or Gamora accomplished anything that they aren't physically capable of? All the skilled martial artists prove their skills by doing something impossible that they shouldn't be able to accomplish given the boundaries of the human body. Has Thanos done the same? Has Gamora? I don't think their is ample evidence to talk about either of them in the same breath as Karate Kid.

Should I take that as a nomination for Gamora and/or Thanos down to Uber? I would definitely support such a move for Thanos, and probably for Gamora. However, I maintain that Gamora definitely deserves a spot above the top-tier-earth-based-fighters.