Repost, since it's been a couple of pages.
Can people please please please vote on the current proposed changes... before suggesting others... the list is getting excessive...
Current Hierarchy [179]
Cosmic Tier: (Transcendent Martial Artists) [3]
Gamora, Karate Kid, Mantis
Uber Tier: (Unearthly Martial Artists) [8]
Kirigi (DC), Mandarin, Moondragon, O-Sensei, Ogun, Stick, Temugin, Thanos
Top Tier: ("Greatest Martial Artists"😉 [18]
Batgirl (Cassandra Cain), Batman, Black Canary, Bronze Tiger, Captain America, Connor Hawke, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist, Lady Shiva, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, Shen Kuei (The Cat), Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, Taskmaster, Wolverine
Second Tier: (Master Martial Artists) [55]
Adam Warlock, Agent X, Azrael, Backlash, Black Panther, Black Widow, Bullseye, Cable, Captain Mar-Vell, Champion of the Universe, Cheshire, Crossbones, Daken, David Cain, Deadpool, Deathstroke, Donatello, Echo, Eric Killmonger, Gorgon (Tomi Shishido), Green Arrow, Grifter, Hawkman, Jason Blood, Judomaster (Hadley Jagger), Karnak, Lady Deathstrike, Leonardo, Magnus, Merlyn (DC), Michaelangelo, Midnight Sun, Mr Sensitive, Natas, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Orion, Prometheus, Puck, Ra's al Ghul, Raphael, Ravager, Red Hood, Red Skull, Silver Samurai, Steel Serpent, Stone, Talia al Ghul, Twelve Brothers in Silk, White Tiger (Angela del Toro), Wildcat (Ted Grant), Winter Soldier, Wonder Woman, Vandal Savage, X-23, Zealot
Third Tier: (Highly Skilled Martial Artists) [58]
Ares, Arsenal, Bane, Beta Ray Bill, Black Bolt, Black Knight (Dane Whitman), Blade, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Colleen Wing, Damian Wayne, Doctor Mid-Nite, Doctor Strange, Domino, Donna Troy, Drax, Duke(GI Joe), Grendel (Hunter Rose), Hawkeye, Heavy Duty(GI Joe), Hercules, Huntress, Katana, KGBeast, Kingpin, Lady Vic, Loki, Matsu'o Tsurayaba, Midnighter, Mister America (Tex Thomson), Mister Terrific, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Namor, Night Thrasher, Nightcrawler, Omega Red, Onyx, Psylocke, Punisher, The Question, Revanche, Robin (Tim Drake), Sabretooth, Shadowcat, Shatterstar, Shrike IV (Boone), Speedy (Mia Dearden), Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Stacy X, Terry McGinnis, Thena, Thor, US Agent, V, Viper (Madame Hydra), Wild Child, Wong
Fourth Tier: (Trained Martial Artists) [28]
Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Batwoman, Beast, Black Cat, Blink, Blue Devil, Boom Boom, Cannonball, Carol Danvers, Catwoman, Colossus, Cyclops, Falcon, Gambit, Hawkgirl, Jamie Madrox, Jubilee, Mister Fantastic, Misty Knight, Mystique, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Superman, Tarantula, Thing, Zauriel
Accomplished Fighter: (Little formal training/Some Skill) [9]
Apocalypse, Grace Choi, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Monet St. Croix, Spider-Man, Strong Guy
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Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Mystique to Third: 3 [Smurph, Llag, xmarks] / 1 [Srank]
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 1 [srank]
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 2 [capt, Accel, jrod]
Mar-Vell to uber: 2 [bran, llag] / 1 [srank]
Warlock to uber: 2 [bran, ll] / 1 [srank, Accel]
Mantis down to uber: 4 [Soljer, Xmarks, Srank, llag] / 2 [bran, Smurph]
Kingpin to second: 4 [jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 2 [llag, Macoy]
Zealot to top tier: 2 [Srank, Switch] / 0
Hercules to second: 3 [llag, Switch, Trickster] / 2 [Capt, Accel]
Cable to third: 3 [jrod, llag, Switch, Trickster] / 3 [Soljer, Capt, Accel]
Duke to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Heavy Duty to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Jubilee to third 1 [Cresh] / 1 [llag]
Luke Cage to fourth: 1 [jrod] / 0
Strong Guy to fourth: 1 [jrod] / 0
Stick to second: 1 [capt] /
Deathstroke to third: 1 [srank] /
Black Cat to third: 1 [Accel] /
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Additions
Notes:
-We have two 'non marvel/dc top tier' spots (currently occupied by Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow).
NB The top tier are ~10% of the total heirarchy top tier and under. The bulk of the list are Marvel and DC so the bulk of the top tier spots go to Marvel and DC.
Feel free to make nominations, or vote for Zealot or any other character that is neither marvel nor DC to supplant these two spots.
-GI Joe - leave 'em or remove 'em?
-I'll reiterate what Soljer posted: If you feel a character should be moved up or down, please do me the favor of actually stating such, so that I do not have to guess intentions. For example, Capt mentioning "Jubilee has been trained by a top tier fighter" may imply he supports the move, but it's hard to tell.
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This has probably been talked about but I don't feel like backtracking through the thread so I'll just say my piece. I don't understand how people can consider Mantis to be anything BUT a Transcendent MA 😕 . We're talking about someone who can....
Make a difficult subject for Thor, Ironman, Vision, Black Panther, and the Scarlet Witch to restrain…
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8418/avengersv112307qx4.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3401/avengersv112308if0.jpg
Outrun a bullet AFTER it’s fired…
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3955/defenders00917if8.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3040/defenders00918zv6.jpg
One shot Thor…
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3958/avengers11416qg7.jpg
Chump Midnight Sun H2H...
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1979/avengersv1131part2giantob7.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6945/avengersv1131part2giantwc0.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/360/avengersv1131part2giantaf3.jpg
...all with nothing but skill.
I created the respect threads for both Gamora and Mantis, and I honestly consider Mantis to be slightly superior as far as pure H2H skill goes.
Ok Champion for cosmic tier.
1. Hes beaten mantis in 1 second flat.
2. We also stated that if any powers were gained thriugh training this counts as skill.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4811/vsheroes2lo5.jpg
From my understanding Elders generally dont start with vast amount of powers it has taken billions of years with training to reach that level.
I must have missed it; it wasn't on my list. But it's the last proposed change that's going to be added before this list at least halves... way too long.
Mystique to Third: 5 [V, Accel, Smurph, Llag, xmarks] / 1 [Srank]
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 1 [srank]
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 4 [capt, Accel, jrod, Smurph]
Mar-Vell to uber: 3 [Smurph, bran, llag] / 1 [srank]
Warlock to uber: 4 [V, Smurph, bran, ll] / 2 [srank, Accel]
Mantis down to uber: 4 [Soljer, Srank, llag, Accel] / 3 [bran, Smurph, dg]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 3 [llag, Macoy, Smurph]
Hercules to second: 4 [V, llag, Switch, Trickster] / 3 [Smurph, Capt, Accel]
Cable to third: 5 [V, jrod, llag, Switch, Trickster] / 5 [Smurph, MM, Soljer, Capt, Accel]
Duke to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Heavy Duty to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 1 [llag]
Luke Cage to fourth: 3 [Accel, Smurph, jrod] / 0
Strong Guy to fourth: 1 [jrod] / 0
Stick to second: 1 [capt] /
Deathstroke to third: 1 [srank] / 3 [V, Smurph, Accel]
Black Cat to third: 1 [Accel] /
Champion to cosmic: 1 [Alfheim] /
Also, Accel, sorry I didn't see the Zealot vote still in there. That's actually invalid and has to be changed to whether or not you think he should replace one of the two current indie/other characters in the top tier, and who. But I'll bear in mind there were three votes for the move up.
The following changes will be instituted if no one votes against them before the next update:
Luke Cage to fourth
Mystique to third
Mystique to Third: 6 [Soljer, V, Accel, Smurph, Llag, xmarks] / 1 [Srank]
Domino to Second: 2 [Smurph, jrodslam] / 1 [srank]
Ares to second tier: 2 [TP, llagrok] / 5 [FM, capt, Accel, jrod, Smurph]
Mar-Vell to uber: 3 [Smurph, bran, llag] / 1 [srank]
Warlock to uber: 4 [V, Smurph, bran, ll] / 2 [srank, Accel]
Mantis down to uber: 4 [Soljer, Srank, llag, Accel] / 3 [bran, Smurph, dg]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 3 [llag, Macoy, Smurph]
Hercules to second: 3 [V, llag, Trickster] / 4 [FM, Smurph, Capt, Accel]
Cable to third: 4 [V, jrod, llag, Trickster] / 5 [Smurph, MM, Soljer, Capt, Accel]
Duke to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Heavy Duty to second: 1 [capt] / 0
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 1 [llag]
Luke Cage to fourth: 5 [FM, Soljer, Accel, Smurph, jrod] / 0
Strong Guy to fourth: 1 [jrod] / 0
Stick to second: 1 [capt] / 1 [Soljer]
Deathstroke to third: 2 [capt, srank] / 6 [Dd1, Soljer, V, Smurph, Accel, llagrok]
Black Cat to third: 1 [Accel] /
Champion to cosmic: 1 [Alfheim] / 1 [Soljer]
The following changes will be instituted if no one votes against them before the next update:
Luke Cage to fourth
Mystique to third
The following votes will be defeated in the nearish future if no one more votes for them:
Ares to second
Deathstroke to third
