Originally posted by Soljer
That's not what llagrok was remarking on.Llagrok remarked on you believing the power of the Iron Fist came from training rather than plunging his fists into the heart of Shou Lao the Undying.
I know. When IF foguht Sabretooth he didnt have Iron Fist and used his Chi instead
http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90723_mcptooth10_122_437lo.jpg
Danny was doing martial arts before he plunged his fists to get the IF. If he can summon the chi without the IF this must mean he already knew how to use it. Not all Dannys powers come from the IF.
So llgarok doesnt know his IF like he fought he did.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I know. When IF foguht Sabretooth he didnt have Iron Fist and used his Chi insteadhttp://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90723_mcptooth10_122_437lo.jpg
Danny was doing martial arts before he plunged his fists to get the IF. If he can summon the chi without the IF this must mean he already knew how to use it. Not all Dannys powers come from the IF.
So llgarok doesnt know his IF like he fought he did.
Okay, listen up simpleton.
Danny discovered K'un L'un when he was a young boy, as we all saw. There is no proof or evidence that he found a way to access his chi powers before he defeated Shou-lao. Do you think Danny didn't get his powers from Shou-lao until a year ago, simply because Immortal Iron Fist hadn't been released until then 😱
The reason why Danny is able to focus his chi, is due to him plunging his hands into the heart of Shou-lao. Do even read these damn comics?
DO YOU THINK HE FOUGHT SABRETOOTH BEFORE REACHING K'UN L'UN?
*Clears throat*
Ahem
"Orphaned billionaire Daniel Rand was raised in the mystical city of K'un-Lun and grew to become its chamion. After defeating the dragon Shou-Lao the Undying, Danny was granted extraordinary powers, enhancing his mastery of the martial arts and allowing him to achieve a superhuman level of strength, speed, and fighting prowess."
Originally posted by llagrok
Okay, listen up simpleton.Danny discovered K'un L'un when he was a young boy, as we all saw. There is no proof or evidence that he found a way to access his chi powers before he defeated Shou-lao. Do you think Danny didn't get his powers from Shou-lao until a year ago, simply because Immortal Iron Fist hadn't been released until then 😱
The reason why Danny is able to focus his chi, is due to him plunging his hands into the heart of Shou-lao. Do even read these damn comics?
DO YOU THINK HE FOUGHT SABRETOOTH BEFORE REACHING K'UN L'UN?
LOL....EXACTLY.....plunging his fists into the heart of Shau-Lao gave him the Iron Fist. If the Iron fist is gone how was he able to access the chi. Shang Chi can acess Chi did he plunge his heart into Shao Lau?
Plunging his fists into the molten heart of Shou-Lao the Undying gave Rand the power of the Iron Fist, allowing him to focus his chi and enhance his natural abilities to extraordinary levels.
Do the math! The Iron Fist enables him to focus his chi right? So why the hell is able to still focus his chi when its gone obvoulsy he still can do it without the Iron Fist but not to such a great degree.
Originally posted by Soljer
*Clears throat*Ahem
"Orphaned billionaire Daniel Rand was raised in the mystical city of K'un-Lun and grew to become its chamion. [b]After defeating the dragon Shou-Lao the Undying,
Danny was granted extraordinary powers, enhancing his mastery of the martial arts and allowing him to achieve a superhuman level of strength, speed, and fighting prowess." [/B]
So why does it say in the scans above that he still has his chi eventhough he has lost IF?
He gained his chi by gaining the IF therefore if hes loses the IF then he shouldnt be able to focus chi. If he can still do it without the Iron Fist that means he already knows how to focus it.
Originally posted by Alfheim
LOL....EXACTLY.....plunging his fists into the heart of Shau-Lao gave him the Iron Fist. If the Iron fist is gone how was he able to access the chi. Shang Chi can acess Chi did he plunge his heart into Shao Lau?Plunging his fists into the molten heart of Shou-Lao the Undying gave Rand the power of the Iron Fist, allowing him to focus his chi and enhance his natural abilities to extraordinary levels.
Do the math! The Iron Fist enables him to focus his chi right? So why the hell is able to still focus his chi when its gone obvoulsy he still can do it without the Iron Fist but not to such a great degree.
So why does it say in the scans above that he still has his chi eventhough he has lost IF?
He gained his chi by gaining the IF therefore if hes loses the IF then he shouldnt be able to focus chi. If he can still do it without the Iron Fist that means he already knows how to focus it.
Let's say, being the holiday season, you make a trip to best buy.
They have a special sale going on - buy an HDTV, get a free blu-ray player.
So you do it, you get home you plug everything in, all is working well.
The next time your favorite team is playing football, the quarterback gets sacked, and, in your outrage, you throw a brick through your television set.
Does your blu-ray player stop working?
Originally posted by Alfheim
LOL....EXACTLY.....plunging his fists into the heart of Shau-Lao gave him the Iron Fist. If the Iron fist is gone how was he able to access the chi. Shang Chi can acess Chi did he plunge his heart into Shao Lau?Plunging his fists into the molten heart of Shou-Lao the Undying gave Rand the power of the Iron Fist, allowing him to focus his chi and enhance his natural abilities to extraordinary levels.
Do the math! The Iron Fist enables him to focus his chi right? So why the hell is able to still focus his chi when its gone obvoulsy he still can do it without the Iron Fist but not to such a great degree.
So why does it say in the scans above that he still has his chi eventhough he has lost IF?
He gained his chi by gaining the IF therefore if hes loses the IF then he shouldnt be able to focus chi. If he can still do it without the Iron Fist that means he already knows how to focus it.
Originally posted by Soljer
Let's say, being the holiday season, you make a trip to best buy.They have a special sale going on - buy an HDTV, get a free blu-ray player.
So you do it, you get home you plug everything in, all is working well.
The next time your favorite team is playing football, the quarterback gets sacked, and, in your outrage, you throw a brick through your television set.
Does your blu-ray player stop working?
Well im not sure what a blueray player is anyway. By the way the number of martial arts that Danny has mastered means he knows hows to focus chi by default.
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iron_Fist_(Danny_Rand)
Iron Fist is an exceptional athlete, acrobat, and hand-to-hand combatant. He is a master of all of K'un-Lun's martial arts and many of Earth's, trained in the use of virtually all martial arts weapons. He has near-complete control over his nervous system, enabling him to deaden himself to pain.
Im telling you know alot of Chinese martial arts use chi, so we can end the blue ray business now.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well im not sure what a blueray player is anyway. By the way the number of martial arts that Danny has mastered means he knows hows to focus chi by default.http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iron_Fist_(Danny_Rand)
Iron Fist is an exceptional athlete, acrobat, and hand-to-hand combatant. He is a master of all of K'un-Lun's martial arts and many of Earth's, trained in the use of virtually all martial arts weapons. He has near-complete control over his nervous system, enabling him to deaden himself to pain.
Im telling you know alot of Chinese martial arts use chi, so we can end the blue ray business now.
Mastering any number of martial arts does not automatically enable you to use chi.
Either throw up a scan (or at least an issue number) wherein Danny uses chi prior to meeting Shou-Lao, or drop it.
Originally posted by Soljer
Mastering any number of martial arts does not automatically enable you to use chi.
It does if your studying Chinese and Tibetan martial arts. Hell he studied martial arts in kun lun which is in tibet. Tibetan martial arts use chi. So yes if his bio states that masters various martial arts and must of his martial arts practice is in tibet he would know chi, because the martial arts of that region practice it.
Ok thats the end of that.
Originally posted by SoljerEither throw up a scan (or at least an issue number) wherein Danny uses chi prior to meeting Shou-Lao, or drop it.
Interestingly enough it doesnt matter because hes shown on panel using chi without the Iron Fist and his bio states that he knows various other martial arts. So hell he could have even learnt how to usi chi after gaining the Iron fist because other martial arts teach you how to use chi without getting it from Shao Lau. At the end of the day the main point is that can he use chi without getting it from Shao Lau. 😐
But at the end of the day its being argued that the If is the source of his chi. You cut somebodies heart out they cant pump blood. Tibetan Chinese martial arts teach chi especially tibetan and I am of the opinion he must have learnt before, because if he learnt afterwards it could be argued that hes using Shao-Lau source of chi and not his own.
Originally posted by Alfheim
It does if your studying Chinese and Tibetan martial arts. Hell he studied martial arts in kun lun which is in tibet. Tibetan martial arts use chi. So yes if his bio states that masters various martial arts and must of his martial arts practice is in tibet he would know chi, because the martial arts of that region practice it.Ok thats the end of that.
I'd also like to see a little evidence of all these 'chi-masters' you keep going on about. Otherwise, gee tee eff oh with that pseduo-science bullshit.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Interestingly enough it doesnt matter because hes shown on panel using chi without the Iron Fist and his bio states that he knows various other martial arts. So hell he could have even learnt how to usi chi after gaining the Iron fist because other martial arts teach you how to use chi without getting it from Shao Lau. At the end of the day the main point is that can he use chi without getting it from Shao Lau. 😐But at the end of the day its being argued that the If is the source of his chi. You cut somebodies heart out they cant pump blood. Tibetan Chinese martial arts teach chi especially tibetan and I am of the opinion he must have learnt before, because if he learnt afterwards it could be argued that hes using Shao-Lau source of chi and not his own.
He can use chi without the Iron Fist just like you can use your Blu-Ray without your HDTV. It doesn't change the fact that he was never shown utilizing Chi prior to his confrontation with Shou-Lao. Unless you can show otherwise, you're arguing based on hope, conjecture, and utter bullshit.
No one argued that the Iron Fist (technique) is the source of Danny's chi. You're taking forgranted that that is what I'm saying. I am saying that it was the meeting of Shou-Lao that allowed Danny to utilize chi. And, the latest writer (who therefore over-rules anything written prior, by his very nature) seems to agree - and that's all that really matters 'at the end of the day,' as you so enjyoed emphasizing.
Originally posted by Soljer
Not in comic book terms of Chi, they don't. Furthermore, K'un Lun isn't in Tibet, K'un-Lun isn't even on Earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunlun_Mountains
Originally posted by Soljer
I'd also like to see a little evidence of all these 'chi-masters' you keep going on about. Otherwise, gee tee eff oh with that pseduo-science bullshit.
That irrelevant wether its real or not. Chi may not be real in the real world but is in marvel and in marvel tibetan martials arts exist and so do chinese martial arts and they use chi.
Originally posted by Soljer
He can use chi without the Iron Fist just like you can use your Blu-Ray without your HDTV. It doesn't change the fact that he was never shown utilizing Chi [b]prior to his confrontation with Shou-Lao. Unless you can show otherwise, you're arguing based on hope, conjecture, and utter bullshit.No one argued that the Iron Fist (technique) is the source of Danny's chi. You're taking forgranted that that is what I'm saying. I am saying that it was the meeting of Shou-Lao that allowed Danny to utilize chi. And, the latest writer (who therefore over-rules anything written prior, by his very nature) seems to agree - and that's all that really matters 'at the end of the day,' as you so enjyoed emphasizing. [/B]
I dont even know what a blue ray is and im not looking it up.
Originally posted by Alfheim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunlun_Mountains
Originally posted by Alfheim
That irrelevant wether its real or not. Chi may not be real in the real world but is in marvel and in marvel tibetan martials arts exist and so do chinese martial arts and they use chi.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Then why are you wasting my time then? The main point I was arguing that he doesnt need the Iron Fist to utilize chi.
The only thing that allows him to utilize chi is his meeting with Shou-Lao. If he hadn't met with Shou-Lao, perhaps he would have found a different path to chi-manipulation ala Mandarin, Temugin, Karate Kid, or Shang Chi. However, in the case of Daniel Rand, he never showed any aptitude at chi prior to meeting the Undying, so it is pure speculation to assume he had.
Daniel's chi-based powers stem from that meeting. It doesn't mean that there aren't alternate paths to the same end. It just means that Daniel didn't receive his supernatural abilities through pure mundane training.
Originally posted by Soljer
No, your point was that it was Danny's training that allowed him to utilize and manipulate chi, which is obviously not the case as he was trained as K'un-Lun's finest warrior prior to ever being depicted as using chi.The only thing that allows him to utilize chi is his meeting with Shou-Lao. If he hadn't met with Shou-Lao, perhaps he would have found a different path to chi-manipulation ala Mandarin, Temugin, Karate Kid, or Shang Chi. However, in the case of Daniel Rand, he never showed any aptitude at chi prior to meeting the Undying, so it is pure speculation to assume he had.
Daniel's chi-based powers stem from that meeting. It doesn't mean that there aren't alternate paths to the same end. It just means that Daniel didn't receive his supernatural abilities through pure mundane training.
Fair enough that seems a reasonable explantion. I dindt respond to other part of your post because your last point makes the rest of my points redundant.
Originally posted by Alfheim
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Fist/Iron_Fist_8_0007.jpg****ing moron.
Watch the insults Alf. I don't want to have to warn you officially, but will do so if I see it again.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
champion is above your cosmic tier by a wide margin
I want Champion to to be cosmic tier but people disagree. I am pf the opinion that they did not actively seek out the power primordial but I know I dont have enough evidence to prove this (sufficient for me though).
Originally posted by llagrok
I think it would be best if Alf apologized.
Nope. I was completely justified in swearing at you eventhough I turned out to be wrong. The reason why I was rude to you is because you are constanly rude to me and other posters. When you first joined this forum I was polite to you but your behaviour has made me harsh.
The rules state that im not supposed to swear and insult other posters and thats the way it is but as far as imconcerned you dont deserve to be treated with respect hell look at this stuff here.
Originally posted by llagrok
Even Loki says soIt's also hilarious to see how your simple ****ing mind is incapable of comprehending the simple fact that being the strongest necessarily give the Hulk a win. Odin would lose to the Hulk in an arm wrestling contest, but he can still turn the Hulk into goo.
😬
Originally posted by janus77
'grok you're in no position to comment on anyone's intellect or comprehension skills.
I'm a lot older than you (or at least I'm led to infer this, given your past conduct and foolishness) so I refrain from ridiculing you too much but honestly, you are very wanting in both departments. as well as that pissy little temper of yours. leave the sneering superiority to those who are actually rather superior 🙂.and that scan is rather pathetic, all it's saying is how Loki perceives Thor.
when you can show The Beyonder or someone of some real power, saying that about Thor, then just maybe you'll have a point.
as it stands Hulk >>> Thor, physically.
Go into any thread with llgarok and it tends to resorts to him insulting people. I insult people when they try to mess with me and when they have shown contuining hostility.
You dont deserve to be treated with respect because of how you treat posters but I have to abide by the rules. Just the fact you are asking me to apologize after ive been warned shows you what a troublemaker you are.
