Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Strength and durability are not static at all... read up on Doop if you don't believe me. He's essentially a green blob-like plot device.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Logan didn't beat him in a punch. If Black Panther and Wolverine fight, and BP knocks Wolverine down with a punch (but not out), then the fight ends abruptly, BP didn't win, correct?

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
The fact that his eye was hanging out was nothing more than comedic effect... he's always normal looking the next panel or page. Not so different from a healing factor.

The entire issue was a joke and the entire second fight was off pannel.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
Actually, the fact that Logan hurt Doop with a punch suggests to me that Doop is CLEARLY depowered.

..........ya so i guess when DD or capt do it to hyde, or wrecker or so such heavy hitter the heavy hitter is depowered right?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
His durability is allows active however.

As evidenced by Logan's punch.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
difference here is Doop was all messed up and Logan stood straight and lifted doop by the arm and doop was limp and looked dam defeated.

Doop can levitate.

And this still doesn't have anything to do with why he shouldn't be in the second tier, because he allowed Wolverine to get in a single punch after he had already smacked Logan around.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
The entire issue was a joke and the entire second fight was off pannel.

His highest durability feat was being fine after a bike crash when he gre big to cushion Wolverine's fall (from the crash).

He was depowered to fight Logan, both feats were obviously purely hand to hand, except for one where he matched Wolvie with the claws.

😬

Originally posted by Battlehammer
..........ya so i guess when DD or capt do it to hyde, or wrecker or so such heavy hitter the heavy hitter is depowered right?

Doop is basically a malleable body like Reed, so Logan should not be able to hurt Doop with punches at all.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
No. It's truly not.

As evidenced by Logan's punch.

Limp?

Doop can levitate.

And this still doesn't have anything to do with why he shouldn't be in the second tier, because he allowed Wolverine to get in a single punch after he had already smacked Logan around.

Doop's highest strength feat in the mini was breaking a piece of a wall down when he was pissed off.

His highest durability feat was being fine after a bike crash when he gre big to cushion Wolverine's fall (from the crash).

He was depowered to fight Logan, both feats were obviously purely hand to hand, except for one where he matched Wolvie with the claws.😬

He never attempted to do any thing stronger. He neevr go hit with any thing harder. It all speculation that he was powered down.

It was never stated.

Logan was holding him by the arm and doop clearly was beaten.

Smack around? it showed Logan get thrown down that was it and it could have been a sneak attack like doop did in the second fight. That one punch put doop down.

sorry, but simply saying he was depowered means nothing when it was never mention.

The fight took place off pannel it far from enough evdience to suggest second tier.

Logan fought gladiator off pannel I guess he must be at glads power level lol.

also lets say he was power down by the writter, but then it could simply be said Logans skills were powered down by the writer or doop skills were powered up by the writters for this one instances.

Originally posted by Master-Borg
no, because DD and Capt are targeting special nerve spots

Doop is basically a malleable body like Reed, so Logan should not be able to hurt Doop with punches at all.

He still a life form that has weak points. He still has nerves of some sort.

also how do you even know there targeting nerve points? Hell many of a time capt simply punches heavy hitters and they get hurt, but he clearlly not aiming at any nerve cluster.

so you actually think Logan is powerful enough to take down a being with level 7 durability with 1 punch? wow, just wow, Capt.

No I don't actaully. I think the entire issue is pis bull shit.

It should not be used. I mean he was not stated depowered. so either

A) his skills were amped for the fight and he was depowered

B) Logans skills was depowered and doop was depower physically

C) Doop stats are wrong and he simply not powerful

D) the issue was a joke and should not be taken serously

iether way it makes the issue completely useless as evidence.

also don't put words in my mouth. I was making a point that many arguements made by capt, DD fans and your self sound rather redciulous about the whole DD and capt actaully phasing heavy hitters.

Im against Doop being 2nd tier and 3rd

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He never attempted to do any thing stronger. He neevr go hit with any thing harder. It all speculation that he was powered down.

It was never stated.

Logan was holding him by the arm and doop clearly was beaten.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Smack around? it showed Logan get thrown down that was it and it could have been a sneak attack like doop did in the second fight. That one punch put doop down.

sorry, but simply saying he was depowered means nothing when it was never mention.

So you're seriously debating that there was nothing PIS-worthy about a being who can take a hit from Mjolnir while depowered (and yes, he was depowered for that) being "put down" by Logan's punch.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
The fight took place off pannel it far from enough evdience to suggest second tier.

Logan fought gladiator off pannel I guess he must be at glads power level lol.

And the fight was clearly indicative of H2H... there's not much room for speculation, especially due to the nature of the mini and the fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also lets say he was power down by the writter, but then it could simply be said Logans skills were powered down by the writer or doop skills were powered up by the writters for this one instances.

Wolverine isn't the living plot device. And Marvel seems to think that Doop's a 7 in skills, and he doesn't have any showings where he's been outskilled (doesn't actually have a single loss really, afaik), so I don't see anything to indicate he's been powered up beyond how much he would normally be put at for a fight with Wolverine. 🙂

Originally posted by Battlehammer
No I don't actaully. I think the entire issue is pis bull shit.

It should not be used. I mean he was not stated depowered. so either

A) his skills were amped for the fight and he was depowered

B) Logans skills was depowered and doop was depower physically

C) Doop stats are wrong and he simply not powerful

D) the issue was a joke and should not be taken serously

Or

E) His skills were on par with how they should be and there was nothing PIS-y about him being able to match Wolverine's skills.

I don't see why you assume it's bullshit that Doop should be able to pull this off. There's nothing to contradict it, and it's not even being argued that he should be on Wolverine's level.

Im not bother to respond im done with this debate it stupid niehter of us will yield.

I am completely against Doop being beyond fourth tier.

a fight of pannel is not enough evidence or is it even reasonable evidence in my opinion. I also think the issue is PIS and just retarded. I think assume some one is depowered is wrong and assumeing the other character is acting a peak ability is wrong.

in all I disagree with you completely.

Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Of COURSE he wasn't stated to be depowered... when does Marvel do that? It's Doop's nature anyways, so it's assumed by people who know the character...

Or

E) His skills were on par with how they should be and there was nothing PIS-y about him being able to match Wolverine's skills.

I don't see why you assume it's bullshit that Doop should be able to pull this off. There's nothing to contradict it, and it's not even being argued that he should be on Wolverine's level.

It the fact you saying his other powers were depowered and and relied on simply fighting skill.

who to say the writter did not simply up grade his fighting skill for this single arc? opr down grade Logans? I think it foolishness to assume a character was downgraded in ever area and the other character was at peak prformance. I also think it dumb to assume an off pannel fight is evidence to suggest a 2nd tier placement.

Im done with this arguement I disagree with you.

also using hand books is just dumb and there constantly incorrect.

also smurph if any thing I said came off as an insult my bad it was not ment to be. I respect your opinion and normall agree with you. I just simply disagree with you on this one topic of Doop placement.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It the fact you saying his other powers were depowered and and relied on simply fighting skill.

who to say the writter did not simply up grade his fighting skill for this single arc? opr down grade Logans? I think it foolishness to assume a character was downgraded in ever area and the other character was at peak prformance. I also think it dumb to assume an off pannel fight is evidence to suggest a 2nd tier placement.

Im done with this arguement I disagree with you.

Doop was struggling to hold off some metal tentacles, couldn't bust through some chains with his own strength, and barely affected Wolverine with a punch (He sent Thor flying). I don't think his other powers were affected. Aside from his malleability/shape changing and levitation, he really didn't use his other powers. Which is normal.

Doop was harmed by Wolvie's punch, cut with the claws, and knocked around by some metal tentacles, so I don't think he was at full durability.

Which leaves him... where?

Lowered strength and durability, because a super strong, invincible Doop wouldn't work for the plot. This is par with Doop's nature to only be as powerful as need be.

Wolverine, on the other hand, bullet dodges at the beginning and knocks out a bunch of henchmen (iirc), so his agility didn't seem depowered to me.

His only fights, he matches Doop. Doop's supposed to be a MA master, so that's not a surprise.

So all in all, I saw nothing that implied he was depowered in fighting skill. Nor that Doop was given a boost (Marvel ranks him as high as can be, and upholds what they give him later on... so it didn't seem off beat).

Thusly, it didn't seem like an inappropriate feat to me, beyond keeping in mind that Doop wasn't at par with strength and durability.

So I thought my assumptions were fine, seeing as I have read the issues and based what I think off of them.

Now... let's see.

I think it's ILLOGICAL to assume that any element of a character was depowered if there is NO supporting evidence.

ESPECIALLY if you've only seen scans of a fight and base your entire decision off of that.

Doop's matched Wolverine, Thor, and is ranked as high as possible in fighting skills by Marvel.

So far there has been no counter evidence from you beyond simply saying that you don't think the fight with Wolverine is valid. Which is still not a reason as to why Doop doesn't belong in second. Much less third.

Frankly, it seems blindly biased to say he should be fourth if there's nothing to suggest it.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
also smurph if any thing I said came off as an insult my bad it was not ment to be. I respect your opinion and normall agree with you. I just simply disagree with you on this one topic of Doop placement.

Anyways, Soljer and others, there's a couple of Doop's appearances I haven't gotten my hands on yet. I'll continue to look, update if I find any more feats.

But... Doop to second tier.

And to the naysayers, he's a cannon character, his feats are cannon, they happened.

Now I'm off to the Comic Tiers thread to argue his placement there.

Doop ftw!

Isn't 'current' Doop vastly depowered (at least in the handbooks) compared to 'classic'?

Originally posted by Soljer
Isn't 'current' Doop vastly depowered (at least in the handbooks) compared to 'classic'?

I'll try to find out.

If he's much lower in the rankings and I can't find any evidence to the contrary, I'll concede he's no longer an MA master.

I'm undecided on Doop, I have no problems placing him in there somewhere but the lack of appearances makes him hard to place. Thus far I'm personally leaning towards somewhere in the middle, maybe thirdish (although several of the thirds have quite a few good MA displays) or fourthish.

Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Black Cat to third: 2 [MM, Accel] /
Cable to third: 4 [V, jrod, llag, Trickster] / 5 [Smurph, MM, Soljer, Capt, Accel]
Champion to cosmic: 2 [Alfheim, psychogundam] / 5 [Soljer, X, FM, bran, llag]
Domino to Second: 4 [llag, Smurph, jrodslam, MM] / 1 [srank]
Duke to second: 1 [capt] / 1 [llag]
Heavy Duty to second: 1 [capt] / 1 [llag]
Hercules to second: 4 [V, llag, Trickster, MM] / 4 [FM, Smurph, Capt, Accel]
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 1 [llag]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 3 [llag, Macoy, Smurph]
Mantis down to uber: 5 [DD1, Soljer, Srank, llag, Accel] / 4 [bran, Smurph, dg, MM]
Mar-Vell to uber: 4 [MM, Smurph, bran, llag] / 1 [srank]
Stick to second: 1 [capt] / 4 [Soljer, DD1, llagrok, MM]
Strong Guy to fourth: 2 [llag, jrod] / 0
Warlock to uber: 4 [V, Smurph, bran, ll] / 2 [srank, Accel]

Changes that will be defeated if there are no more votes for:
Champion to cosmic
Stick to second
Changes that will pass if there are no more votes against:
Domino to second
Mar-Vell to uber