I'm abstaining on that vote, but a few pages ago Daredevil1 asked where it was stated that Daredevil was better than Stick. To which jrod posted that he didn't state that Daredevil had surpassed him.
Also repost since it was at the bottom of the page:
I'm undecided on Doop, I have no problems placing him in there somewhere but the lack of appearances makes him hard to place. Thus far I'm personally leaning towards somewhere in the middle, maybe thirdish (although several of the thirds have quite a few good MA displays) or fourthish.
Proposed Changes (Votes For / Votes Against)
Black Cat to third: 2 [MM, Accel] /
Cable to third: 4 [V, jrod, llag, Trickster] / 5 [Smurph, MM, Soljer, Capt, Accel]
Champion to cosmic: 2 [Alfheim, psychogundam] / 5 [Soljer, X, FM, bran, llag]
Domino to Second: 4 [llag, Smurph, jrodslam, MM] / 1 [srank]
Duke to second: 1 [capt] / 1 [llag]
Heavy Duty to second: 1 [capt] / 1 [llag]
Hercules to second: 4 [V, llag, Trickster, MM] / 4 [FM, Smurph, Capt, Accel]
Jubilee to third 2 [Smurph, Cresh] / 1 [llag]
Kingpin to second: 5 [V, jrod, srank, capt, Accel] / 3 [llag, Macoy, Smurph]
Mantis down to uber: 5 [DD1, Soljer, Srank, llag, Accel] / 4 [bran, Smurph, dg, MM]
Mar-Vell to uber: 4 [MM, Smurph, bran, llag] / 1 [srank]
Stick to second: 1 [capt] / 4 [Soljer, DD1, llagrok, MM]
Strong Guy to fourth: 2 [llag, jrod] / 0
Warlock to uber: 4 [V, Smurph, bran, ll] / 2 [srank, Accel]
Changes that will be defeated if there are no more votes for:
Champion to cosmic
Stick to second
Changes that will pass if there are no more votes against:
Domino to second
Mar-Vell to uber
jrodslam told me a few times DD better then stick.
also stick stated DD in volume one that he was unable to teach DD any longer and he was on his own. That clearly indicates that DD had prgress beyond stick. Also as jrodslam has mention before. Stick really has 0 feats to put him beyond DD or any top tier for the most part.
Originally posted by jrodslamIf he were to be moved to First Tier he'd have to displace someone from Marvel currently in the First Tier:
With Stick going to second, its hard to say Battlehammer.Stick would probably beat anyone in second from Marvel. If he does move there, that means someone from Marvel would have to leave right?
Imo, Stick is like inbetween. First and second that is.
Originally posted by jrodslam
With Stick going to second, its hard to say Battlehammer.Stick would probably beat anyone in second from Marvel. If he does move there, that means someone from Marvel would have to leave right?
Imo, Stick is like inbetween. First and second that is.
oh I don't mind him in first tier at all I just from what you have said do not believe he deserve uber tier.
first or second tier makes no differences to me.
He either bottum of first or top of the second tiers.
Should this be considered an MA feat?
It's not so different from what Karate Kid does.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/IronmanFeat.jpg
Originally posted by StylishSmurphDo I even want to know what is happening there?
Should this be considered an MA feat?It's not so different from what Karate Kid does.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/IronmanFeat.jpg
Originally posted by JuntaiObviously, or you wouldn't have asked.
Do I even want to know what is happening there?
Guy Smith and Tony Stark are fighting. Naked. Something about a church of nudists whose place they're fighting on, or some shit.
Anyways, the important part (which I forgot to show haermm) is when Guy starts giving Tony migraines and doing damage to his beaten up liver just by striking him in the hand.
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Should this be considered an MA feat?It's not so different from what Karate Kid does.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g126/SpunkySmurph/Marvel/Scans/IronmanFeat.jpg
What's with the flower?
Originally posted by StylishSmurph
Obviously, or you wouldn't have asked.Guy Smith and Tony Stark are fighting. Naked. Something about a church of nudists whose place they're fighting on, or some shit.
Anyways, the important part (which I forgot to show haermm) is when Guy starts giving Tony migraines and doing damage to his beaten up liver just by striking him in the hand.
If this is the only basis for his placement, then he shouldn't be very high. There are plenty of Chinese acupuncturists who have complete knowledge of the body's pressure points, but aren't skilled in fighting techniques at all. See where I'm going with this? Hitting a few key spots on Tony Stark doesn't lend me to believe that he should be placed too high. It certainly doesn't make him on Batman's, or even Nightwing's level.
Anything above third/fourth tier would be stupid, I feel.
Oh, and Karate Kid is more than just a master of pressure point strikes.
Now, if you were simply asking about it with regards to its martial arts merit rather than asking about Guy Smith's position on the tier list, I rescind my above statement.
Originally posted by batdude123No, Guy has H2H feats too. I was just wondering if that should contribute to his placement or not.
If this is the only basis for his placement, then he shouldn't be very high. There are plenty of Chinese acupuncturists who have complete knowledge of the body's pressure points, but aren't skilled in fighting techniques at all. See where I'm going with this? Hitting a few key spots on Tony Stark doesn't lend me to believe that he should be placed too high. It certainly doesn't make him on Batman's, or even Nightwing's level.Anything above third/fourth tier would be stupid, I feel.
Oh, and Karate Kid is more than just a master of pressure point strikes.
Now, if you were simply asking about it with regards to its martial arts merit rather than asking about Guy Smith's position on the tier list, I rescind my above statement.
And it's more than pressure points. It's striking any point on the body to affect any inner mechanism, essentially.
I put up the Karate Kid disclaimer because I saw the argument that, as Guy describes the technique, it could possibly not be a MA-honed skill (Guy can levitate too, through his studies, but obviously that has no bearing on this thread), so I was simply pointing out that Karate Kid's done similar things (not that he's limited to them), that contribute to his placing in this thread.
I actually just checked (reminder to self repost the hierarchy soonish) Guy Smith is currently in the Second Tier, and now after contemplation I'm not sure there's enough justification for him being that high. But I'm not adding any new proposed changes yet to the long list already present until people vote on them so they can be decided!
(Also another reminder to self after looking back at Kitty Pryde & Wolverine - add Yukio to the hierarchy somewhere.)
