Ranks for MAs

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The thing is at this level, basically these people are the top of the food chain, they know multiple forms of martial arts and should be experienced in all forms of martial arts. If a top tier stuggles against someone Moon Knight beat handly I don't think you can merely dismiss that 😬

Id dismiss it. Simply because the top tier may handily beat MK.😬 We cant assume. Its like DD and Punisher having drawn out battles in the past, yet when Punisher fought Bats, Bats beat him quickly. 1 panel at the most. However when DD and Bats fought, it was back and forth.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Errr...he has owned Iron Man twice with his skill and have you seen what he even did in the recent New Avengers Intiative issue?

Owned Iron twice with skill, yet DD beats him everytime. Thats what im talking about. Cant use ABC logic. Also, you mention Tasky owning the likes of Ironman, yet cant beat DD. Theres that familiar factor i was talking about. Even in their first encounter with each other, DD took advantage of Taskys abilities.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
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Cap has refered to him as his equal, and they have stalemated a few times

But that still doesn't mean MK is their equal by any means.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Id dismiss it. Simply because the top tier may handily beat MK.😬 We cant assume. Its like DD and Punisher having drawn out battles in the past, yet when Punisher fought Bats, Bats beat him quickly. 1 panel at the most. However when DD and Bats fought, it was back and forth.

Not handly, majority sure. However, even Shang Chi mentioned he was his near equal and his sensi [forgot name] would love him or either shot him due to his personality. Another question why is Punisher third tier anyways? Also didn't even see what happened in the Punisher/Batman fight so who knows what happened.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Owned Iron twice with skill, yet DD beats him everytime. Thats what im talking about. Cant use ABC logic. Also, you mention Tasky owning the likes of Ironman, yet cant beat DD. Theres that familiar factor i was talking about. Even in their first encounter with each other, DD took advantage of Taskys abilities.

That's Daredevil he is one the elite, but to say Taskmaster sucks at combat skills is wrong as he has an excellent track record in martial arts. Because an elite beats him doesn't mean he sucks at combat fighting as his other feats say otherwise 😬

Originally posted by endrict
But that still doesn't mean MK is their equal by any means.

Cap is overall more skilled, but Moon Knight definetly won his encounter with Fury. So don't merely dismiss him.

Originally posted by jrodslam
MK to second tier?If he gets there, he gets there. I wouldnt cry much about it. The question is, who does he replace? And who gets bumped to third?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not handly, majority sure. However, even Shang Chi mentioned he was his near equal and his sensi [forgot name] would love him or either shot him due to his personality. Another question why is Punisher third tier anyways? Also didn't even see what happened in the Punisher/Batman fight so who knows what happened.

Majority? I agree. As far as Shang saying Spector was his near equal is nice, but lemme tell you, ive NEVER been impressed with shang Chi for some reason. I dont know why that is. I have no doubts that MK can hang with the top. As for Punisher being third tier, i think he belongs there skillwise. His fighting/combat ability is better than the tier hes in though.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That's Daredevil he is one the elite, but to say Taskmaster sucks at combat skills is wrong as he has an excellent track record in martial arts. Because an elite beats him doesn't mean he sucks at combat fighting as his other feats say otherwise 😬

Yea DD is one of the elite in MA's, but Ironman is armored and can shoot big booms. Taskmaster isnt the smartest fighter. Hes more deadly when he has the jump on someone, but thats abut it imo. His ma skill is great, but like i said before, its his decision making thats not great at all. Id love to see a fight between him and Echo and id bet shed win just because she uses more of her brain than Tasky would.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Only the "top tier" is limited in number. Moon Knight doesn't need to replace anyone in second tier to move there.

Ahh i see.

If Kingpin can get the bump to second, i dont think MK should either.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Majority? I agree. As far as Shang saying Spector was his near equal is nice, but lemme tell you, ive NEVER been impressed with shang Chi for some reason. I dont know why that is. I have no doubts that MK can hang with the top. As for Punisher being third tier, i think he belongs there skillwise. His fighting/combat ability is better than the tier hes in though.

Wow, Shang Chi was said to be one of the greatest fighters on the planet. Don't dimish him. Also why would you doubt that as he has already hanged with the top before and was fine 😬

Originally posted by jrodslam

Yea DD is one of the elite in MA's, but Ironman is armored and can shoot big booms. Taskmaster isnt the smartest fighter. Hes more deadly when he has the jump on someone, but thats abut it imo. His ma skill is great, but like i said before, its his decision making thats not great at all. Id love to see a fight between him and Echo and id bet shed win just because she uses more of her brain than Tasky would.

Question are you familar with what Taskmaster has done? He has gone toe to toe with Captain America before and was fine 😬

You seem to be trying to dimish a few characters, which I don't understand why.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ahh i see.

If Kingpin can get the bump to second, i dont think MK should either.

Uuuuuh...what? This list is pretty messed up like White Tiger is second tier? come on

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uuuuuh...what? This list is pretty messed up like White Tiger is second tier? come on

If people are unhappy with a certain character's placement then they're free to propose a vote to move them up or down.

On an unrelated note though who does "Magnus" refer to... and what warrants a second tier placement...? 🤨

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Wow, Shang Chi was said to be one of the greatest fighters on the planet. Don't dimish him. Also why would you doubt that as he has already hanged with the top before and was fine 😬

Yea i know that was said about Shang. I just never found him really impressive from what ive seen. I do admit that it hasnt been much(mostly Marvel Knights, his respect thread and a couple of old school fights). As for MK, i didnt say that i doubt that he can hang with the top tier. I said that i dont doubt that he can hang with them.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Question are you familar with what Taskmaster has done? He has gone toe to toe with Captain America before and was fine 😬

You seem to be trying to dimish a few characters, which I don't understand why.

Yea im kinda familiar with Tasky. I havent read every appearance hes been in, but ive seen enough to know that for all his skill, his execution(besides the mimic stuff) isnt the best. Besides the brief scuffle in the respect thread with him and Cap, how many times have they fought?

Im not trying to diminish or dismiss and characters, but id like to see consistency. Its well knows that Tasky isnt the smartest fighter out there. Given prep and he does better, but then again, who wouldnt?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Uuuuuh...what? This list is pretty messed up like White Tiger is second tier? come on

And why doesnt she belong in second tier? She has the skills of one of the top ma's(old white tiger) and she a good combatant. Plus shes been under the tutelage of DD and IF. Possibly more, but im not 100% Why do you think she doesnt belong there?

How many times do you have to fight Cap evenly to qualify for the tier below him?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yea i know that was said about Shang. I just never found him really impressive from what ive seen. I do admit that it hasnt been much(mostly Marvel Knights, his respect thread and a couple of old school fights). As for MK, i didnt say that i doubt that he can hang with the top tier. I said that i dont doubt that he can hang with them.

The man can catch bullets in mid-air 😬, gotcha thought you said he can't hang with them.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Yea im kinda familiar with Tasky. I havent read every appearance hes been in, but ive seen enough to know that for all his skill, his execution(besides the mimic stuff) isnt the best. Besides the brief scuffle in the respect thread with him and Cap, how many times have they fought?

Apparently not enough as he is very skilled fighter, he often doesn't like to fight as he says "doesn't get paid to do it". However, that by no means takes anything away from his skill and his knowledge. I believe they have had 2-3 brief schuffles.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Im not trying to diminish or dismiss and characters, but id like to see consistency. Its well knows that Tasky isnt the smartest fighter out there. Given prep and he does better, but then again, who wouldnt?

Ummm...no, he has excellent combat skills. With no prep he owned Yellowjacket, Antman and Stature with just one attack recently.

Originally posted by jrodslam

And why doesnt she belong in second tier? She has the skills of one of the top ma's(old white tiger) and she a good combatant. Plus shes been under the tutelage of DD and IF. Possibly more, but im not 100% Why do you think she doesnt belong there?

Why do you think she deserves to be there? what has she done that warrants that at all. 😬

Some of these peoples have one specific martial arts style they know, but are higher then some who know a variety of martial arts. I really don't get this list at all 😬

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The man can catch bullets in mid-air 😬, gotcha thought you said he can't hang with them.

Ok. He can catch bullets in mid air. thats doesnt sy much about his fighting ability imo. 😬

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Apparently not enough as he is very skilled fighter, he often doesn't like to fight as he says "doesn't get paid to do it". However, that by no means takes anything away from his skill and his knowledge. I believe they have had 2-3 brief schuffles.

I guess someone needs to make a re-vamped Taskmaster respect thread. Ive never once mentioned anything about Taskys skill other than saying hes probably the MOST skilled in his tier. However, having the skill and knowledge of the art is something different than applying it and showing it in combat. Its like Cap. Hes not the most skilled, but his fighting ability is second to none. If Tasky says he doesnt get paid to do it, why even bother to pick up the skills is what i would tell him? As far as the other scuffles with him and Cap, id love to see it.😄

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Ummm...no, he has excellent combat skills. With no prep he owned Yellowjacket, Antman and Stature with just one attack recently.

Yellowjacket, Antman and Stature. Who? These guys blow. First off they wasnt fighting Tasky. Secondly, Like he said, "Only an idiot could miss that big a target.".

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Why do you think she deserves to be there? what has she done that warrants that at all. 😬

I think she deserves to be there....
1. Because of the amulet and its history.
2. Because of being trained since she was young.
3. Also being taught a bit by DD
4. Using good judgement in battle.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Some of these peoples have one specific martial arts style they know, but are higher then some who know a variety of martial arts. I really don't get this list at all 😬

In theory communism works. In theory.

Originally posted by King_Mungi

Some of these peoples have one specific martial arts style they know, but are higher then some who know a variety of martial arts. I really don't get this list at all 😬

better to be great at one thing than to be decent at many

Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok. He can catch bullets in mid air. thats doesnt sy much about his fighting ability imo. 😬

Your kidding me right? It's his skill and training that allows him to do it. He's just a normal human, but his skill is near superhuman 😬

Also he has fought the best and beaten the best, he's no joke.

Originally posted by jrodslam

I guess someone needs to make a re-vamped Taskmaster respect thread. Ive never once mentioned anything about Taskys skill other than saying hes probably the MOST skilled in his tier. However, having the skill and knowledge of the art is something different than applying it and showing it in combat. Its like Cap. Hes not the most skilled, but his fighting ability is second to none. If Tasky says he doesnt get paid to do it, why even bother to pick up the skills is what i would tell him? As far as the other scuffles with him and Cap, id love to see it.😄

He HAS shown it in combat though that's the thing, and he doesn't get paid to fight he gets paid to train or use his esponiage skill. Honestly what grounds do you have saying he is not the most skilled? He is very skilled, stop dimishing him 😬

I already am working on another respect thread so I can't help you.

Originally posted by jrodslam

Yellowjacket, Antman and Stature. Who? These guys blow. First off they wasnt fighting Tasky. Secondly, Like he said, "Only an idiot could miss that big a target.".

*Snickers* I thought you wern't discreding characters? No they don't blow, and have you ever and I mean ever seen anyone do that to multiple giants before? I think not

Originally posted by jrodslam

I think she deserves to be there....
1. Because of the amulet and its history.
2. Because of being trained since she was young.
3. Also being taught a bit by DD
4. Using good judgement in battle.

...that really isn't impressive at all, if that's the case Moon Knight definetly should be bumped up. As Moon Knight started young and was a pro-boxer young, has more combat experience, knows more martial arts then her, and is a master of every weapon created by man. His judgment and willpower is unmatched, he has even shown more willpower then Thing 😬

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Champion apparently knows thousands of martial arts in theory, yet still sucks ass in practice... so I'm not seeing the point.

In theory communism works. In theory.

Honestly you people need to make up your mind as awhile ago I had a debate about this, and a few people said it's how skilled they are in a variety of fighting skills not just one.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Your kidding me right? It's his skill and training that allows him to do it. He's just a normal human, but his skill is near superhuman 😬

Also he has fought the best and beaten the best, he's no joke.

Skill and training? Youre saying Taskmaster trained to be able to do that? Catch a bullet? Or did he simply see someone do it and took it as his own like he did with about 90% of his abilities?

Ok, hes fought the nest and has beaten the best. Great. Can you list the "best" hes beat. Scans preferred, but if unable to, the list will do.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
He HAS shown it in combat though that's the thing, and he doesn't get paid to fight he gets paid to train or use his esponiage skill. Honestly what grounds do you have saying he is not the most skilled? He is very skilled, stop dimishing him 😬

I already am working on another respect thread so I can't help you.

I thought he did get paid the fight, kill, steal, etc. Aint he a merc? And why are you struggling with my posts, Mungi lol. I said Tasky is probably the MOST skilled. Most, lol.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
*Snickers* I thought you wern't discreding characters? No they don't blow, and have you ever and I mean ever seen anyone do that to multiple giants before? I think not

Hey those guys suck, im sorry. Lol. Have i seen anyone do that to multiple giants? No. Who else has fought multiple giants?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
...that really isn't impressive at all, if that's the case Moon Knight definetly should be bumped up. As Moon Knight started young and was a pro-boxer young, has more combat experience, knows more martial arts then her, and is a master of every weapon created by man. His judgment and willpower is unmatched, he has even shown more willpower then Thing 😬

I think it is. Shes also been trained by Iron Fist and Cage from the time she was younger. Does MK know more martial arts than her? Weapons are good for a ma, but can be disarmed. I do agree that he has more combat exp than her, but that doesnt mean hed beat her due to that. It would be a fight id like to see, but i doubt it would ever happen.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Skill and training? Youre saying Taskmaster trained to be able to do that? Catch a bullet? Or did he simply see someone do it and took it as his own like he did with about 90% of his abilities?

Ok, hes fought the nest and has beaten the best. Great. Can you list the "best" hes beat. Scans preferred, but if unable to, the list will do.

Taskmaster can do it due to his abilities and power, Shang Chi does not have that power. He does it with pure skill not powers. Big difference

Iron Fist, Zaran, White Tiger, Cat [I believe he did], etc.

Why do I have to make all the respect threads, just do some research yourself 😬

Originally posted by jrodslam

I thought he did get paid the fight, kill, steal, etc. Aint he a merc? And why are you struggling with my posts, Mungi lol. I said Tasky is probably the MOST skilled. Most, lol.

No he gets paid for a variety of things, and yes he is a merc but has said on multiple occasions he doesn't get paid to fight or he would be clashing with people more often then he does. No I got it but you said he sucks at using the skill which is a lie. 😬

Originally posted by jrodslam

Hey those guys suck, im sorry. Lol. Have i seen anyone do that to multiple giants? No. Who else has fought multiple giants?

No they don't...uuuuh, your basically saying everyone sucks here

Originally posted by jrodslam

I think it is. Shes also been trained by Iron Fist and Cage from the time she was younger. Does MK know more martial arts than her? Weapons are good for a ma, but can be disarmed. I do agree that he has more combat exp than her, but that doesnt mean hed beat her due to that. It would be a fight id like to see, but i doubt it would ever happen.

Cage doesn't have MA, and she wasn't under Iron Fist tuleage for long. Also so what? what has she even DONE to warrent her ranking? Damn right it does, as he has more martial arts training and more fighting experience while she on the other hand really hasn't done anything. 😬

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Taskmaster can do it due to his abilities and power, Shang Chi does not have that power. He does it with pure skill not powers. Big difference

Iron Fist, Zaran, White Tiger, Cat [I believe he did], etc.

Why do I have to make all the respect threads, just do some research yourself 😬

Tasky catching a bullet doesnt and hasnt stopped him from getting his a$$ beat. It just doesnt impress me and have me say "Wow this guy has some nice ma skill."

You have to make the respect threads because youre so good at it. 😄. Also, showing some scans of what you talk about does help your argument. I honestly dont know who Tasky has beat. It sure as hell aint in his respect thread.🙁

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he gets paid for a variety of things, and yes he is a merc but has said on multiple occasions he doesn't get paid to fight or he would be clashing with people more often then he does. No I got it but you said he sucks at using the skill which is a lie. 😬

Well i know he does need to clash with more people. Mainly high ranked fighters imo. Im gonna stand by my saying that Tasky sucks at combat. I think youre confusing what im saying. He can do the moves. He can do them perfectly. Its just that from what ive seen, in an actual fight, he fights like an idiot, lol. Id love to see instances of him fighting with a brain.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No they don't...uuuuh, your basically saying everyone sucks here

No not everyone. Just them.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Cage doesn't have MA, and she wasn't under Iron Fist tuleage for long. Also so what? what has she even [b]DONE to warrent her ranking? Damn right it does, as he has more martial arts training and more fighting experience while she on the other hand really hasn't done anything. 😬 [/B]

Boxing and wrestling is a martial art isnt it? And although she wasnt trained by Fist for long, they amulet has years of experience and skill which she automatically inherits. I dont think MK has more training and experience than the amulet she has. I do think it would be a good fight either way.😬

Originally posted by jrodslam
Tasky catching a bullet doesnt and hasnt stopped him from getting his a$$ beat. It just doesnt impress me and have me say "Wow this guy has some nice ma skill."

You have to make the respect threads because youre so good at it. 😄. Also, showing some scans of what you talk about does help your argument. I honestly dont know who Tasky has beat. It sure as hell aint in his respect thread.🙁

Errr? He doesn't get his ass beat all the time :/ Hell I have seen Captain America struggling against a normal human who was merely just big and he nearly lost 😬

But the thing is I don't have the time as I would literally have to be making a respect thread as he has many showings which deserve credit and I already have my hands filled with other things 😬

Originally posted by jrodslam

Well i know he does need to clash with more people. Mainly high ranked fighters imo. Im gonna stand by my saying that Tasky sucks at combat. I think youre confusing what im saying. He can do the moves. He can do them perfectly. Its just that from what ive seen, in an actual fight, he fights like an idiot, lol. Id love to see instances of him fighting with a brain.

No I get it and I'm saying your wrong, how many apperances have you read of Taskmaster? He is very intelligent on his feet during battles

I know there was a Taskmaster thread made at another board, it's incomplete but I will see if I can dig it up

Originally posted by jrodslam

No not everyone. Just them.

Which they don't, and people who do suck your defending them. Errr?

Originally posted by jrodslam

Boxing and wrestling is a martial art isnt it? And although she wasnt trained by Fist for long, they amulet has years of experience and skill which she automatically inherits. I dont think MK has more training and experience than the amulet she has. I do think it would be a good fight either way.😬

It can be used in conjunction with it, but in his teenage years he became a pro-boxer and then shortly became a mecenary, etc. He has been fighting all his life and actually has feats. What has she done..literally other then being trained by people what has she actually done? :/

Originally posted by King_Mungi
MK was a solider of fortune, a mercenary, veteran of three American wars, was in 5 South American revolutions, had involvement with the C.I.A., versatile in all martial arts including savate and hopkido, ex-prizefighter, marine commander, expert in pressure points and was said to have "mastered virtually every weapon devised by man".

That was also directly stated in the comics.

I know that herochat has a Taskmaster Respect Thread, you can find some good stuff there.

First, here's TM beating the Cat:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/eternalmaster/Task/Taskfight.jpg

TM definately has skill.