Originally posted by Allankles
First of all we've already adressed this argument.
No. What you have done is blasting a big cloud of ignorance over that point and ridiculed yourself twice by coming up with the same bullshit twice. Now it's the third time your making a fool of yourself.
Kreia was clearly talking about lightsaber combat and none of the anceint Sith we've encountered used lightsabers. So your point as regards the ancient Sith here is moot. Ragnos' Sith didn't use lightsabers, so Kreia never admitted to be inferior to Ragnos' Sith. Get your facts straight before using quotes.
Stuff this bullshit where the sun doens't shine.
Kreia's quote: "If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters."
Where do you read "lightsaber" here ? I can't find the term "lightsaber" in that quote. What I do see is "prowess of the old masters" when facing them in "combat". Notice to complete absence of the terms "lightsaber" or "lightsaber duel". And notice where Kreia gives that statement: Standing right between the tombs of Ragnos, Sadow, Hord and Pall. But somehow she was not refering to them but to some obscure lightsaber wielding Sith Lords. Hence the complete absence - let me just point this out again - of the word "lightsaber" in that quote.
So again, just for you - I hope you get this into your head - she was talking about the Ancient Sith Lords in general and she was refering to combat in general.
Second, Warb Null was nothing special. He's armor was his trump card yet it wasn't even resistant to lightsabers as Ulic proved. Are you trying to compare Warb Null to Traya and Sion? I hope not, because that would be sheer stupidity.
Again. That dude was a guy possessed by the spirit of an ancient Sith Lord. This means that he had all knowledge (and combat skill) available from one of the invidiuals that would make Kreia and the Exile look like children because of their "prowess in combat". Yet Ulic cut that dude down.
And his armor was his trump card ? You mean aside from his "martial prowess" and his "practice in the Dark Side of the force" his "crushing" lightsaber blows (one haded...lol) and the fact that Oss Willum can't hardly think when fighting him because "everything is dark" ?
Warb Null was the spirit of an ancient Sith, who possesed the body of a lightsaber wielding dark Jedi. So he'd obviously use his victims weapon.
Mwahaha. No. The original body of Warb Null belonged to a metallurgist named Shas Dovos. The Sith spirit did allow him to create the armor just to possess him after he finished that work. Going by the fact that originally Shas Dovos was neither a Jedi nor a Dark Jedi but simply a craftsman it's logically to assume that the spirit also made him creating the lightsaber - as he could also have made him create a Sith Sword in case he prefared that sort of weapon. The lightsaber was that Sith spirits weapon of choice.
Secondly, if Kreia is to be believed then Kun and Ulic wouldn't have a chance either against the ancient lightsber users, seeing as Kreia was part of Kun and Ulic's generation. You never thought of that did you genius?
Obviously not. Have a look at Kreia's statement again. She said "you" refering to the Exile and then "we" obviously referring to herself and the Exile. I don't see where she says "my generation" or "people of our time". Learn how to read or listen, genious.
You know. Beating a planet eating Sith Lord.
With help of two friends, pre-weakening of said Sith Lord and of course her force drain immunity. Or in short: Nothing that would help her against Ulic. And Ulic, by the way, was capable of resisting the power of the Dark Reaper. You know. That funny Sith weapon which is basically a Nihilus machine (ripping the force from every living being available, then proceed to use the same force energy to cause destruction). And he didn't need to be a "hole in the force" for that.
Beating a powerful Sith capable of destroying three of the most powerful Jedi Master of her time with one application of the force.
Yes. While being immune to exactly that application of force power which said Jedi "had no defence against". Again: Wouldn't help her against Ulic. Unless she is capable of using said technique herself (which she can't) and even then Ulic might simply resist it (see Dark Reaper argument above).
Beating a virtual immortal.
By talking him into death. Really. The best thing you could say is that she managed to hold on against him or (really speculative) wound him five times. Still he would be a Sith with unknown skill but in turn infinity endurace.
Destroying a plethora of Sith Lords, Sith troopers and Sith acolytes in the Trayus academy. She's a beast in comparison to Ulic. Not to mention disabling criminal syndicates, ending civil wars virtually single handedly and saving the galaxy etc etc
The only Sith lords in the game are Nihilus, Sion and Kreia. A plethora ? No. That also belongs to the other opponents. The canon actions of the Exile are limited to the things which had to be done. And as I already said. By game design, just for example, it's possible to stealth through the entire Trayus Academy without killing a single opponent until reaching Sion.
Aside of that feats still don't equate with power. Luke Skywalker in ANH killed 100,000s of Imperial troops (at least) by blowing the Death Star up.
Sure it was impressive of Ulic to resist Ommin's powers with the light side of the force but outside of the that, Ommin was a push over. It is in no way more impressive than the Exile's top feats.Arca Jeth was powerful, relatively speaking, but I seriously doubt he was anything to shout about. He was no Kreia that's for sure.
LMFAO.
You did notice how Ommin directly manipulated the minds of the Jedi and distorted them to an extend that they were hardly capable of moving. With a single gesture he totally mind controlled Satal Keto, with another gesture he floored Arca Jeth. That's aside from tossing Jedi like Nomi Sunrider around with apparent ease.
And Arca was no Kreia. Sure. Compared to Kreia he had one century more time to study the ways of the force. His light side power was enough to kill Queen Amanoa without even using a direct force attack against her and drive the Darkness away from Iziz which lasted there over four centuries. That aside from his vast Battle Meditation skills surpassing that off people like Thon and Odan (as Odan himself says) capable of influencing entire armies.
Technically, there's nothing lucky about the Exile's powers and abilities, they were carefully crafted to fit into the Kotor 2 plot and as such the Exile is far from "lucky". By this logic Ulic was lucky to be force sensitive. I mean, are you really this thick?
What I'm trying to get into head is, that anything impressive the Exile has done is based on a SINGLE ability which only help her against exactly those person which she encountered by either weakening the opponents (Nihilus) or automatically disable their strongest attacks (Kreia). And without that single ability she would have died. Against Sion, against Kreia and since you insist that killing makes her more powerful through that "force drain" she could have gone down at multiple opponents in the game without it.
You are right that this technique was crafted to fit into the KotoR 2 plot. And that's the entire point here. The Exile doesn't master all the tests because of her potential, her skills, her knowledge, her prodigiousness. It's all because of that single ability which was actually the result of some accident.
Why would Kreia's knowledge be limited to force drain? Secondly, when did Sith magic constitute the entirety of Sith knowledge. Traya performed and demonstrated knowledge of techniques Kun never demonstrated and vice versa. I wouldn't say Kun was more knowledgable, in fact on evidence of the stories, Kreia has shown more knowledge.
Again: Kreia's most impressive feat is to kill those Jedi Master. She does that via force drain. A technique that doesn't work against the Exile. And Kun did not only master Sith magic but also Sith alchemy completely given how he created new monsters. And since Kun did now all Sith secrets there is nothing that Kreia can do but Kun can't. And what you would say doesn't matter. The omniscient narrator obviously doesn't agree with you. Neither does Kevin J. Anderson, the creator of Kun. If Kreia demonstrates the ability to drain entire species, freeze thousands of beings on the spot, blast giant holes into creatures and building aside from tossing force users around like ragdolls or simply rips the spirit from a powerful force users body - you can give me a call. Until then Kun who had Sadows entire knowledge (again one of that Ancient Sith demi-gods Kreia keeps praising through the game) and "more knowledge than he could ever use" and did everything I listed is definetly far above Kreia in the knowledge department.
Of course, Totj minors would handle the likes of Nihilus and Sion? roll eyes (sarcastic) Easy there bro, we know you like Ulic but this is getting ridiculous. Nihilus is more powerful than Kun. Traya is more powerful than Ulic. The Exile would be favourite to handle a Ulic Qel Droma.
Oh. Nihilus is more powerful than Kun. YAY ! Kun is very well capable of draining thousands of beings all at once (done to the Massassi) and he has shown himself able to resist an attack that seperates a being from his connection to the force (which is a basis for Nihilus special drain actually). I wonder how Nihilus would kill him. After having his spirit ripped from his body or his ass thrown into outer space by Kun's amulet.
And Kreia is more powerful than Ulic ? Let me see...Ulic was capable of resisting the power of the Dark Reaper which killed force users rather easily. Until Kreia's force drain capability exceeds that of a damn weapon of mass destruction that was capable of draining thousands of beings simultaneously I doubt that she can do much against Ulic. But that's me of course.
Aside of that Ommin at least would be a nice opponent for the likes of Sion or Kreia.
I said if not for the Exile Nihilus woudn't have gone down to anyone (at least not in a face to face battle), and that's why it's predominantly the Exiles' victory.
Which again doesn't matter for this debate.
Kreia and Nihilus are both more powerful than Ulic. Sion is more dangerous than Ommin and Warb Null is about as impressive as Darth Bandon. Stop with the madness.
Yes sir. See above. Sion is more dangerous than Ommin. Oh really ? Can you remind me when Sion has put five Jedi on their asses with a single Dark Side attack or completly overpowered a 200 year old Jedi Master with pretty nice force powers with a single hand movement ? And Bandon compareable to Warb Null. Yeah. Since when is Bandon an ancient Sith and - you might remind me - when did we see Bandon kicking the asses of two Jedi in lightsaber combat while his mastery of the Dark Side was enough to make it hard for one of them to even THINK ?
Stop with the KotoR fanboyism, noob.
Originally posted by Borbarad
No. What you have done is blasting a big cloud of ignorance over that point and ridiculed yourself twice by coming up with the same bullshit twice. Now it's the third time your making a fool of yourself.Stuff this bullshit where the sun doens't shine.
Kreia's quote: "If you were to face an ancient Sith Lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old Masters."Where do you read "lightsaber" here ? I can't find the term "lightsaber" in that quote.
You're taking the quote out of context dim wit, that's what I've been saying the whole damn time.
This conversation only comes up when the Exile asks about Tulak Horde who (according to Kreia) is the greatest lightsaber duelist of the ancient Sith.
The Exile asks about his generations lightsaber duelists as compared to the ancient Sith lightsaber duelists, and in reply Kreia produces that quote.
She wasn't talking about any old ancient Sith, she was talking about the lightsaber duelists among them, hence the reference to lightsabers by the use of the word toys. Why would she mention "toys" if she was talking about combat in it's entirety? The Exile goes on to question why Tulak Horde and his generation of Sith were so good with their lightsabers and Kreia replies that she doesn't know.
I have to question whether you played the game.
She responds to the Exile's question on lightsaber combat. Know the context before throwing quotes around.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Again. That dude was a guy possessed by the spirit of an ancient Sith Lord. This means that he had all knowledge (and combat skill) available from one of the invidiuals
If he was so bad ass why was he not expected to beat Ulic? He was nothing more than glorified canon fodder, and it's insulting that you could dare compare him to likes of Sion. And as far as your bs argument is concerned, if Kreia is to be believed (using your interpretations) shouldn't Ulic be unable to beat Warb Null, seeing as Kreia was part of Ulic and Kun's generation?
To repeat, Kreia would have been in her twenties (or perhaps older) during the time of Ulic and Kun, judging by her age. Given how old she appears to be, she was a young Jedi during the time of Ulic and Kun, making her the same generation.
And the Exile canonically fought through a plethora of Sith assassins, Sith Lords, Sith acolytes and Sith troopers throughout Kotor 2, especially at Trayus core, seeing as she was alone there. The Exile is a beast in comparison to someone like Ulic.
Originally posted by Borbarad
LMFAO.
You did notice how Ommin directly manipulated the minds of the Jedi and distorted them to an extend that they were hardly capable of moving. With a single gesture he totally mind controlled Satal Keto, with another gesture he floored Arca Jeth. That's aside from tossing Jedi like Nomi Sunrider around with apparent ease.And Arca was no Kreia. Sure. Compared to Kreia he had one century more time to study the ways of the force. His light side power was enough to kill Queen Amanoa without even using a direct force attack against her and drive the Darkness away from Iziz which lasted there over four centuries. That aside from his vast Battle Meditation skills surpassing that off people like Thon and Odan (as Odan himself says) capable of influencing entire armies.
Why do you argue like I've never read the comics or played Kotor 2.
You've grossly exaggerated Ommin's abilities and the events of the comic.
Here's what happened.
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=4&page=035
First of all I'd like to point out that this is nothing impressive compared to what Kreia, Sion and Nihilus did with the force i.e. achieving immortality, killing entire planets of life, masking their force presence even while in front of powerful Jedi Masters etc etc.
Then we have this.
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=4&page=014
Yeah Arca was powerful but he was far from being as powerful as Kreia. As for his BM, Bastilla was powerful with battle meditation do we assume she's anywhere near Kreia's league?
Arca is nothing special.
As for Warb Null. I get that you're trying to make him seem more powerful simply by the idea that you think Kreia was implying that the ancient Sith were more powerful but ......http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=4&page=015 😕
He was just about average besides his armor, if not almost as big of a stiff as Darth Bandon. If anything, the fact that he was able to do this to Ulic http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=4&page=016 (weaken Ulic)albeit briefly, reflects poorly on Ulic if anything. Warb Null was a thrid rate Vader clone at best.
The Exile takes Ulic 7/10 times. She can read any technique Ulic uses and use it on him. She becomes powerful at a startling rate thanks to her ability to siphon force energy with every kill. She's said to be skillful in battle and she has feats that trump over Ulic's. Logic: the Exile beats Ulic.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Good god Allankles, how many times do you have to embarass yourself.
Coming from you 😱. I argue, you do nothing but cheer lead and harp on about little beyond your superior "debating" skills.
It's hard to mount a serious argument when guys are comparing Warb Null and King Ommin to the likes of Kreia and Nihilus.
Originally posted by Allankles
Coming from you 😱. I argue, you do nothing but cheer lead and harp on about little beyond your superior "debating" skills.It's hard to mount a serious argument when guys are comparing Warb Null and King Ommin to the likes of Kreia and Nihilus.
Yes, coming from me, the debater who wtfpwned your argument and then watched you embarass yourself by pointlessly continuing. Keep going tiger, you're on a Noobaris like streak🙂
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, coming from me, the debater who wtfpwned your argument and then watched you embarass yourself by pointlessly continuing. Keep going tiger, you're on a Noobaris like streak🙂
And Noobaris is a smarter debater than you are, outside of his Pt and Bane bias. When did you have a rational argument on this thread let alone put yourself in a position to wtfpwn anyone? You're only good to yourself, most every "argument" you've mounted on here as been torn to shreds by (you guessed it) rational thought.
You haven't won an argument, your irrational denials and your meaningless self praising notwithstanding.
As a reference I'll point you to your "lucking out" argument.
Originally posted by Allankles
And Noobaris is a smarter debater than you are, outside of his Pt and Bane bias. When did you have a rational argument on this thread let alone put yourself in a position to wtfpwn anyone? You're only good to yourself, most every "argument" you've mounted on here as been torn to shreds by (you guessed it) rational thought.You haven't won an argument, your irrational denials and your meaningless self praising notwithstanding.
As a reference I'll point you to your "lucking out" argument.
Ahhh how cute, I called you a piss poor debater who is in denial and you just repeat it, reinforcing the fact that you're a piss poor debater that talks out of his ass. And the "lucking out" argument was yours, dipshit.
Originally posted by Allankles
You're taking the quote out of context dim wit, that's what I've been saying the whole damn time.This conversation only comes up when the Exile asks about Tulak Horde who (according to Kreia) is the greatest lightsaber duelist of the ancient Sith.
The Exile asks about his generations lightsaber duelists as compared to the ancient Sith lightsaber duelists, and in reply Kreia produces that quote.
She wasn't talking about any old ancient Sith, she was talking about the lightsaber duelists among them, hence the reference to lightsabers by the use of the word toys. Why would she mention "toys" if she was talking about combat in it's entirety? The Exile goes on to question why Tulak Horde and his generation of Sith were so good with their lightsabers and Kreia replies that she doesn't know.
Oh my. YOU STUPID DUMBASS. How anoying and stupid can somebody get. Really. Is this is a hobby or were you already born with that complete inability to use logical reasoning.
a) Tulak Hord is the only lightsaber wielding Ancient Sith we know.
b) Kreia is refering to "ancient masters" (clearly plural)
c) In case you haven't got it yet: That means she can't have talked about Tulak Hord (singular) as she was talking about masters (plural)
d) The only time in which Sith Lords of the Ancient Sith Empire used lightsabers were (if any) either past Ragnos or far before Ragnos (at the foundation of said empire). Now either (past Ragnos) we have less powerful people than him or (pre Ragnos) we have people that later switched their weapon to swords obviously since they were more powerful weapons.
e) Conclusion from that: Obviously the Sith Lords appearing in the game, especially Ragnos, hovers above anybody else in combat ability, especially far above Kreia who notices his "terrifying grasp on the Dark Side" as well as his "tremendous physical strength" quite clearly. Kun is above or on par with that.
f) Which doesn't matter anyway. Warb Null = ancient Sith who did CHOSE the lightsaber as weapon. Exactly belonging to the group of people Kreia was talking about. Ulic still owned him. There you go.
I have to question whether you played the game.She responds to the Exile's question on lightsaber combat. Know the context before throwing quotes around.
How does the context matter if the most powerful of the ancient Sith didn't use lightsabers ? Obviously they had a reason to prefer Sith swords.
If he was so bad ass why was he not expected to beat Ulic? He was nothing more than glorified canon fodder, and it's insulting that you could dare compare him to likes of Sion. And as far as your bs argument is concerned, if Kreia is to be believed (using your interpretations) shouldn't Ulic be unable to beat Warb Null, seeing as Kreia was part of Ulic and Kun's generation?
AND AGAIN you come up with this bullshit. The Exile asks about combatants of today. Are Ulic and Exar alive during the time of KotoR 2 ? No ? WTF ? Doesn't apply to them.
To repeat, Kreia would have been in her twenties (or perhaps older) during the time of Ulic and Kun, judging by her age. Given how old she appears to be, she was a young Jedi during the time of Ulic and Kun, making her the same generation.
And the Exile, who asks about her own generation, wouldn't have been born. It doesn't matter. Stop ridiculing yourself.
And the Exile canonically fought through a plethora of Sith assassins, Sith Lords, Sith acolytes and Sith troopers throughout Kotor 2, especially at Trayus core, seeing as she was alone there. The Exile is a beast in comparison to someone like Ulic.
I could swear that I have brought you an example. You have eyes. You have a brain. Why don't you use them. There are so many possibilities to avoid confrontation in KotoR that you can actually use them. Aside of that the Exile was almost at any time accompanied by at least two other people. So what ?
First of all I'd like to point out that this is nothing impressive compared to what Kreia, Sion and Nihilus did with the force i.e. achieving immortality, killing entire planets of life, masking their force presence even while in front of powerful Jedi Masters etc etc.
LMFAO. You noticed how Ommin totally maskes his force presence when Arca is standing right next to him just to assault the Jedi seconds later ? Damn it. You noticed how he kept Arca as prisoner while clouding the minds of the Jedi and while - all at the same time - throwing their sorry asses through the room. Well...and whiping planets, I tell you again, was repeated by others. The Sith on Ambria /which Thon defeated), Kun (draining Massassi), DE Sidious (draining entire planets empty). Special ? And this "near immortality" is nice. I wonder why you come up with this again and again. Ommin can simply put Sion to the next wall and hold him there while torturing him. Sion won't die...and he won't move either.
Yeah Arca was powerful but he was far from being as powerful as Kreia. As for his BM, Bastilla was powerful with battle meditation do we assume she's anywhere near Kreia's league?
You notice that Arca's battle meditation trumps Bastilla's already and this while he doesn't have to sit on his ass to use it ? You do notice how he banished the Dark Side powers from Iziz with some mere gestures ? You notice how he still had a 150 year advantage on Kreia when it came to learning. The same Kreia did nothing more than perform a technique against which "there was no defence" despite the fact that Thon obviously managed to survive a similar attack. Hmm...yeah...
As for Warb Null. I get that you're trying to make him seem more powerful simply by the idea that you think Kreia was implying that the ancient Sith were more powerful but
Kreia is outright stating that the ancient Sith are more powerful. That not even implying it. It's just what she says the entire time while visiting Korriban.
He was just about average besides his armor, if not almost as big of a stiff as Darth Bandon. If anything, the fact that he was able to do this to Ulic (weaken Ulic)albeit briefly, reflects poorly on Ulic if anything. Warb Null was a thrid rate Vader clone at best.
Oh screw you. "The fact alone that the Exile was able to kill Kreia and Nihilus shows that they suck." That's your rediculous way of debating. The guy was an ancient Sith killing machine that could deal crushing blows swinging the lightsaber with one hand. WTF ? And you compare that to Darth Bandon who demonstrated...erm...the ability to force push and get cut into pieces by Revan. Yay.
The Exile takes Ulic 7/10 times. She can read any technique Ulic uses and use it on him. She becomes powerful at a startling rate thanks to her ability to siphon force energy with every kill. She's said to be skillful in battle and she has feats that trump over Ulic's. Logic: the Exile beats Ulic.
Do you really think that repeating arguments that have been destroyed completely over and over again and refuse any further comment makes your points true ? Ulic slices the Exile into pieces before she's capable to "mimic" his movements. And since all the Exile's feats do depend on a single ability which won't help her against Ulic. Logic: Ulic kicks her sorry ass.
And now: STFU, noob.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Ahhh how cute, I called you a piss poor debater who is in denial and you just repeat it, reinforcing the fact that you're a piss poor debater that talks out of his ass. And the "lucking out" argument was yours, dipshit.
What?! 🙁
Are you this thick? When I mentioned irrational denials, I was talking about your irrational insistance that the Exile is average, even though there's a great deal of evidence to the contrary.
Your refusal to even address the ship intergrity argument and merely site that I don't know SW science. Or your instistance that Nihilus was average, with a technique. When it's quite clear that it's his nature that makes him powerful.
I'm talking about how you dismiss arguments with a blunt denial, simply becuase you don't like them.
And you weren't the one who mentioned that the Exile "lucked out" with her wound, or was I arguing with another Darthsexy?
😛 I get it you don't like my rebuttals Borbarod. Arca never showed anything. Yeah! Banishing dark side energies, like that's an indication of power. BM doesn't equal power.
Ommin incapacitated Arca too easily, far too easily if we are to believe Arca is anything special. Warb Null has nothing on Sion, Kreia and Nihilus, stop the crap, you're clutching at straws here.
You took Kreia's quote out of context, face facts dummy. She was answering a direct question on lightsaber combat by the Exile.
Knowing that, Ragnos' Sith were not superior to the Kotor Jedi. And even if we are to accept your out-of-context interpretation , it would mean Kun and Ulic woud be inferior to the very same Sith, seeing as Kreia was of the same generation.
Originally posted by Allankles
What?! 🙁Are you this thick? When I mentioned irrational denials, I was talking about your irrational insistance that the Exile is average, even though there's a great deal of evidence to the contrary.
Your refusal to even address the ship intergrity argument and merely site that I don't know SW science. Or your instistance that Nihilus was average, with a technique. When it's quite clear that it's his nature that makes him powerful.
I'm talking about how you dismiss arguments with a blunt denial, simply becuase you don't like them.
And you weren't the one who mentioned that the Exile "lucked out" with her wound, or was I arguing with another Darthsexy?
Please show me where the focal point of my argument was the Exile's "lucking out". Or do you have pathetic reading comprehension as well as being a piss poor debater?
Kreia never says the Anceint Sith are superior. She talks about Ragnos being mighty in body and in the force. She talks about Tulak Horde's lightsaber skills.
She talks highly of Sadow as one of the greatest of the anceint Sith order and she talks about Sadow and Ludo Kressh's battle for the Sith throne. Sh enever says or implies that the ancient Sith were stronger.
Use the facts. Sion, Kreia and Nihilus> All of Ulic's conquests.
Originally posted by Allankles
Kreia never says the Anceint Sith are superior. She talks about Ragnos being mighty in body and in the force. She talks about Tulak Horde's lightsaber skills.She talks highly of Sadow as one of the greatest of the anceint Sith order and she talks about Sadow and Ludo Kressh's battle for the Sith throne. Sh enever says or implies that the ancient Sith were stronger.
Use the facts. Sion, Kreia and Nihilus> All of Ulic's conquests.
Yea right, when she says the ancient sith are superior to everyone else in combat, she's NOT implying that the ancient sith were stronger. You're just a moron in denial aren't you? You lose for the millionth time.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Please show me where the focal point of my argument was the Exile's "lucking out". Or do you have pathetic reading comprehension as well as being a piss poor debater?
You can't simply go back and read the first pages of this thread? Have I become your chronicler now? You mentioned that the Exile "lucked out" by being a wound in the force, as if you were expecting that that somehow made the Exile lesser than Ulic.
I don't have to requote your crappy arguments, just look back at the first pages of the thread.
Originally posted by Allankles
You can't simply go back and read the first pages of this thread? Have I become your chronicler now? You meantioned that the Exile "lucked out" by being a wound in the force, expecting that that somehow made the Exile lesser than Ulic.I don't have to requote your crappy arguments, just look back at the first pages of the thread.
Translation: I'm a piss poor debater who constantly gets my ass handed to me but since I'm in a constant state of denial, like other piss poor debaters, i'm going to type some bullshit just to get the last word in.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yea right, when she says the ancient sith are superior to everyone else in combat, she's NOT implying that the ancient sith were stronger. You're just a moron in denial aren't you? You lose for the millionth time.
Did you even read my post correctly. That was in reply to the Exile's question on lightsaber combat, if you don't know the context of the quote don't use it as fulcrum of your argument.
Are you too much of a dull wit to recognize the value of context? The Exile asks her about lightsaber combatants in her time as compared to the ancients and Kreia gives the quote you keep referencing. Context dummy, context.
Originally posted by Allankles
I get it you don't like my rebuttals Borbarod. Arca never showed anything. Yeah! Banishing dark side energies, like that's an indication of power. BM doesn't equal power.
I don't like your utter idiocy. Removing Dark Side energies from a Nexus point they invested for 400 years IS an indication of power. And the TOTJ comics superceed the KotoR games in terms of force abilities. So BM is a testament of power actually.
Ommin incapacitated Arca too easily, far too easily if we are to believe Arca is anything special. Warb Null has nothing on Sion, Kreia and Nihilus, stop the crap, you're clutching at straws here.
Ommin surprised Arca and please. Ommin is capable of flooring five Jedi simultaneously. And Warb Null obviously has more "martial prowess", "dark side practice" and brutal strength of Sion and Kreia. Unless you want to contradict the omniscient narrator.
You took Kreia's quote out of context, face facts dummy. She was answering a direct question on lightsaber combat by the Exile.Knowing that, Ragnos' Sith were not superior to the Kotor Jedi. And even if we are to accept your out-of-context interpretation , it would mean Kun and Ulic woud be inferior to the very same Sith, seeing as Kreia was of the same generation.
And Kreia answers with a comment on the GENERAL PROWESS IN COMBAT THE ANCIENT MASTERS DID SHOW. Got that into your head now ? Can't be that hard. It doesn't matter what the Exile asks. The answer is that matters. And neither does Kreia mention "her generation" nor does she mention "lightsaber". Face it. The context is irrelevant here.
Kreia never says the Anceint Sith are superior. She talks about Ragnos being mighty in body and in the force. She talks about Tulak Horde's lightsaber skills.
She calls Ragnos physical strength "tremendous" and his grasp on the Dark Side "frightening". Really. You want to tell me she's frightened by something NOT being superior to her ?
She talks highly of Sadow as one of the greatest of the anceint Sith order and she talks about Sadow and Ludo Kressh's battle for the Sith throne. Sh enever says or implies that the ancient Sith were stronger.
Hooray for your idiocy. Really. No. Kreia just calls Ragnos frightening equiped with tremendous strength. She basically keeps ranting how powerful the ancient were to the point where she compares herself to a child when facing an Ancient Sith in combat. You are only trying to twist those words because you're simply not able to win this debate.
Use the facts. Sion, Kreia and Nihilus> All of Ulic's conquests.
3on1 against Nihilus: Worthless
Talking Sion to death: Worthless
Kicking Kreia who wasn't able to use her most powerful skill: Worthless
Ommin > Kreia, Sion
Warb Null > at least Sion
Kun > Kreia, Sion
Mandalore > every "average" enemy the Exile killed
Dark Reaper > Nihilus, Kreia, Sion
Yeah. Use the facts indeed. Exile feats = result of her nature. Her nature = doesn't matter against Ulic. Go figure.