Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, I'm not saying this is right but here's what I found on the Thought Bomb."Formed through an ancient ritual requiring the combined will of many powerful Sith Lords, the thought bomb, when triggered, unleashed the pure destructive energy of the dark side."
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thought_bombSo why does a ritual weapon that requires several Sith Lords to perform mean anything?
For Force Storms, do you mean Palpatine's kind?
And finally, what is black lightning?
A. The point was it was derived from the ancient sith, and a force storm could mean the one Revan could summon, or the incredible one Sidious can summon. All of these techniques were derived from the ancient sith.
B. It's not black lightning but that's what it looks in I, Jedi? Black frozen poisonous snakes that separated Luke from his body.
Since I'm completely bored of replying to the same bullshit over and over again let's just make that short. Let's just compare Ulic and the Exile.
a) Force powers
Ulic:
- complete Jedi training
- unknown amount of Dark Side knowledge (through Kun and the Krath)
- outstanding force defence (as seen when he overwhelmed Ommin)
- above average potential (family of force users)
- Sith amulet (capable of flooring Nomi Sunrider with a casual blast - descriped as being "deadly"😉
Exile:
- complete Jedi training
- some exotic abilities (force bonds etc.) that aren't helping in a fight
- wound in the force (doesn't matter)
- mediocre / average Jedi (as stated by Vrook / Vandar)
Advantage Ulic: More knowledge; Sith amulet; most likely greater potential to start with.
b) Combat
Ulic:
- exceptionally gifted lightsaber combatant
- descriped as "master swordsman"
- above average physical condition (needs two people using the force against him to even hold him down)
- four years of war experience
Fought: Warb Null (basically an ancient Sith), King Ommin (Sith magician), Exar Kun (DLotS), Satal Keto (Sith magician), Cay Quel-Droma (Jedi Knight), Sylvar (Dark Jedi) Mandalore (skilled warrior), various minor opponents (Krath forces, Republic forces, Beast Riders, Iziz guards).
Exile:
- unknown lightsaber skill (on average level or above average)
- rather average physical shape
- three years of war experience
Fought: Nihilus (Sith Lord - 3 on1), Kreia (Sith Lady), Sion (Sith Lord), Atris (Jedi Master) various minor opponents (Sith troopers / assassins, Mandalorians, Dark Jedi)
Advantage Ulic: Far more duels, more impressive opponents, more war experience, most likely more lightsaber talent from the beginning on, greater physical shape.
Conclusion:
The Sith amulet Ulic carries alone can be the deciding factor in that fight if he can just force the Exile on her knees if not outrigt kill her with that "deadly" item. Even if that shouldn't be the case I don't see the Exile taking Ulic in a contest of force powers. If it comes down to lightsaber combat Ulic does possess the greater physical strength and has more experience in direct saber duels (most likely the far better opponents with Kun, Mandalore and Warb Null). The Exile goes down. End of story.
Aside of that:
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
And Exar Kun > Revan? No. Even as a Jedi? Hell no.
Yeah, KotoR fanboy.
Let me see. Revan managed to do what exactly ? He had what force powers ? Lightsaber skills ? Knowledge ?
Let me put it like this:
Kun was capable of trashing century old Jedi Master with apparent ease. He was proficient in Sith magic and Sith alchemy where little Revan had to plunder tombs searching stuff that Exar was capable of creating himself. He mastered Dark Side techniques that were completely erased from the Galaxy after his death including techniques that even post-DE Luke had no sufficient defence against. As a half-mad spirit he was capable of force choking ten people at the same time with apparent ease and electrocute one of Luke's students.
He walked through battlefields without being touched by shrapnel or fire, tossed other Jedi around as if there were ragdolls if not outright ignoring them directly. He did freeze the entire Senate Chamber on Coruscant (thousands if not millions of beings) with a single use of his Sith magic and simply resisted the most powerful light side attack there is. Even at his "end" he unleashed Dark Side energies so strong that the combined power of all Jedi in the Galaxy couldn't stop them, leading to the nice firestorm that destroyed almost all live on Yavin 4.
Aside of that he was a master swordsman, shown himself able to use forms II, V and of course Jar'Kai. Then he did not only create his own (unique) weapon but also a matching style - for all we know in less than six months of time.
I really wonder what Revan did do even remotely compareable to that. Kun would kick Revan's sorry ass across the place.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Let me put it like this:
Kun was capable of trashing century old Jedi Master with apparent ease. He was proficient in Sith magic and Sith alchemy where little Revan had to plunder tombs searching stuff that Exar was capable of creating himself. He mastered Dark Side techniques that were completely erased from the Galaxy after his death including techniques that even post-DE Luke had no sufficient defence against. As a half-mad spirit he was capable of force choking ten people at the same time with apparent ease and electrocute one of Luke's students.
He walked through battlefields without being touched by shrapnel or fire, tossed other Jedi around as if there were ragdolls if not outright ignoring them directly. He did freeze the entire Senate Chamber on Coruscant (thousands if not millions of beings) with a single use of his Sith magic and simply resisted the most powerful light side attack there is. Even at his "end" he unleashed Dark Side energies so strong that the combined power of all Jedi in the Galaxy couldn't stop them, leading to the nice firestorm that destroyed almost all live on Yavin 4.
Aside of that he was a master swordsman, shown himself able to use forms II, V and of course Jar'Kai. Then he did not only create his own (unique) weapon but also a matching style - for all we know in less than six months of time.
I really wonder what Revan did do even remotely compareable to that. Kun would kick Revan's sorry ass across the place. [/B]
a) Force powersUlic:
- complete Jedi training
- unknown amount of Dark Side knowledge (through Kun and the Krath)
- outstanding force defence (as seen when he overwhelmed Ommin)
- above average potential (family of force users)
- Sith amulet (capable of flooring Nomi Sunrider with a casual blast - descriped as being "deadly"😉Exile:
- complete Jedi training
- some exotic abilities (force bonds etc.) that aren't helping in a fight
- wound in the force (doesn't matter)
- mediocre / average Jedi (as stated by Vrook / Vandar)Advantage Ulic: More knowledge; Sith amulet; most likely greater potential to start with.
If your comparison charts for the Exile weren't so horribly skewed you might be right, again, she was FAR from average, your using dead points in your "argument"
She was skilled enough for the Mandalorians to "fear" her, moreover Kreia says on MULTIPLE occasions that it is conflict and strife that strengths the connection to the force.
"War has rarely been able to blind a Jedi to the force, through conflict, strife and overcoming challenges in war the connection if strengthen."
- To the Exile after leaving Peragus
"Conflict streghtns Jedi to the force."
-To Atton on Telos.
So we can deduce logically that through the three year wars that as I've previously noted were so ferocious to the point of causing Jedi to suffer mental break downs because of the horror they saw, that her connection to the force was streghted a great deal, hence the increase in her bonding ability.
The Exiles "stats" on the force should be:
-complete Jedi training
-bonding ability
-an very large increase in raw force power due to hundreds of deaths she's caused.
-force defenses strong enough that it takes three Jedi Masters using the Wall of Light attack for it to be effective on her (Note they don't even attempt it if one dies)
-More knowledge (Gained from Kreia who as stated: Had the entire Jedi archives to comb through, which contained many Sith and Jedi holocrons and her knowledge from Malachor, which she imparted on the Exile)
Advantage: The Exile, other then it takes three notedly powerful masters to subdue her in the force, one of whom was said by Bastila to be one of the most powerful in the galaxy (Vrook), she has more knowledge as imparted by Kreia (this can be seen as it is her (the Exile) very knowledge and teachings that resurrect the Jedi order and allow it to survive for 4000 more years. Her raw power takes a leap from the war and from the death she has caused throughout the galaxy. The only real advantage Ulic has in this area is his Sith Amulet, and that too is no big deal look at the end of the post for proof, and it was no casual blast, Ulic was in a full fit of rage.
b) CombatUlic:
- exceptionally gifted lightsaber combatant
- descriped as "master swordsman"
- above average physical condition (needs two people using the force against him to even hold him down)
- four years of war experienceFought: Warb Null (basically an ancient Sith), King Ommin (Sith magician), Exar Kun (DLotS), Satal Keto (Sith magician), Cay Quel-Droma (Jedi Knight), Sylvar (Dark Jedi) Mandalore (skilled warrior), various minor opponents (Krath forces, Republic forces, Beast Riders, Iziz guards).
Exile:
- unknown lightsaber skill (on average level or above average)
- rather average physical shape
- three years of war experienceFought: Nihilus (Sith Lord - 3 on1), Kreia (Sith Lady), Sion (Sith Lord), Atris (Jedi Master) various minor opponents (Sith troopers / assassins, Mandalorians, Dark Jedi)
Advantage Ulic: Far more duels, more impressive opponents, more war experience, most likely more lightsaber talent from the beginning on, greater physical shape.
Again, horribly skewed, we can logically deduce that her lightsaber skill had increased from what Vrook and Vandar saw of her as a padawan, as her skill caused Mandalorians to fear her, moreover, even after that with her large leap in power from the death she caused. Have we forgotten that lightsaber skill is directly tied into how strong you are in the force.
Other then that its been noted that the Exile was in very good physical shape by both Mira and the HK 50 droid on Peragus.
"There's no denying you take care of your body..."
-Mira
"You are a ronto among humans..."
-HK-50 on Peragus.
Finally her skill was enough to hold off and subdue Sion who as he himself stated was drawing dark side power from Malachor.
So again the correct stats in this would be
-Skilled with a lightsaber
-above average physical condition
-Three years of constant war with the Mandalorians
-Her ability to mimic perfectly the combat stances and styles displayed to her.
Advantage: To close, as the Exile was never stated to be as prodigious as Ulic was with a blade, she however likely has more raw power in the force then him, which can become a major factor in lightsaber fights (Bane v Kas'im, Anakin v Dooku pt2) then she has the ability as said to mimic whatever Ulic displays, rendering his status as a masterswords man useless. Ulic does however have physical power over her for the sheer fact of his gender.
Conclusion:
The Sith amulet Ulic carries alone can be the deciding factor in that fight if he can just force the Exile on her knees if not outrigt kill her with that "deadly" item. Even if that shouldn't be the case I don't see the Exile taking Ulic in a contest of force powers. If it comes down to lightsaber combat Ulic does possess the greater physical strength and has more experience in direct saber duels (most likely the far better opponents with Kun, Mandalore and Warb Null). The Exile goes down. End of story.
No not quite, as stated the Exile raw force power probably exceeds that of Ulic, and as the comic has shown Ulic's control over the Sith Amulet is nowhere near Kuns level, and when he does use it against Nomi the most it does is knock her down because she was :
A. Off Guard
B. Trying to sway him using battle meditation and thus not focusing on him pulling an amulet out his ass and blasting her.
See here:
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=144
In addition the most the Amulet does to her is cause her to rub her head and she's standing in the very next panel.
See here:
http://www.swtimeline.ru/?comics=7&page=145
So sorry, Ulics amulet won't or in better words can't save him here. Now if this came down to a lightsaber duel, while as I admitted Ulic probably does have the edge in sheer skill, the Exile likely is stronger in the force and can mimic whatever Ulic does, due to her extreme precognitive abilities. I stated in the beginning in this topic I don't see how Ulic can win this and it remains the same, his amulet blast is rather weak, Moreover it only took two Jedi using the force to subdue Ulic while he was in a fit of rage both of them being rather weak, where as it took three Jedi Masters for even the Wall of Light to take affect on the Exile. The Exile has seemingly every advantage save for sheer skill and physical prowess.
As for Revan
Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxxRevan's connection is constantly being described as uber to the maxX7 Right Guard power band. Mater Dorak and Vandar said that Revan has one of the strongest connections to the force they've ever seen. His name is synonymous with power. He was called the heart of the force. Ajunta Pal when he looked upon Revan described the power he saw as "blinding". You could literally SEE the force swirling around Revan as Jolee said.
He was so powerful in the force not even the combined efforts of the Jedi council could keep his mind suppressed. Revan had such control and power in the force that he literally ripped an entire dialect system out of an entire species head, the proceeded to "force" Basic into the whole races minds. If he could toy with the minds of force sensitives (The Rataka Elders) so easily he could apply the same thing to destroying the brain. The Chronicles describe his dark side power as tremendous.
Darth Bane himself, literally crapped his pants in fear of the shit Revan knew, He himself was scared of the dark power and rituals Revan had under his command as a Dark Lord, he even said he wouldn't DARE ATTEMPT half the things Revan knew.
Vandar describes him as a prodigy.
Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.
Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith - The Chronicles
What that means is, compared to Kun who had, scrolls from Ossus, Naga Sadows notes, which are the perspective of ONE Sith Lord. And a Sith Holocron, Revan had a literal planets worth of knowledge, combined with his longer stay with the Jedi meaning he had more acsess to their knowledge. His knowledge far eclipses Kuns.
Revan was the strongest Sith in an order of hundreds, in turn he was the strongest Jedi in an order of hundreds
He soon discovers the shadowy Malachor V, a planet listed by Mandalorian scholars as "forbidden" to step foot on. The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side.
He overpowered and feed on a planet drenched in the dark side a planet so powerful it broke Kreia:
she travels to Malachor V, but is unable to shield her emotions, and is completely consumed by the dark side of the Force. - The Chronicles
Revan according to Brianna (The Handmaiden) had the most powerful Battle Precognition the Galaxy had seen to that point, more powerful then the strongest of the Echani who could see MONTHS into the future and see battles before they even happened.
Then we have the fact that in Path of Destruction Revan is mentioned along side Exar Kun and Naga Sadow (they had no idea his feats were done by Amulet and ship) as the most powerful Sith, He is what Bane strives to be like.
Revan has beaten Malak on the Star Forge twice while he was being described by the databank as nearly unstoppable, and subsequently beat Bastila WHILE she was being pumped by the Star Foge FOUR TIMES. He beat Uthar Wynn and Yuthura, destroyed the Academy on Korriban. And he must have been physically extremely strong as well since he beat Madalore in hand to hand combat according to NEC.
He was also described as stronger as a Jedi then his tenure as Dark Lord (the version Bane pissed his pants over) then he REGAINS his knowledge from his run as a DOTS thus doubling his power.
And force power is directly tied into lightsaber skill and Revans was as said leet to the max thus his skills would be "up there" combined with his amaxing precogitive ablities.
Argh triple post
As for the argument of whether or not Kreia was stripped of the force, she makes it clear she can still feel the force after her encounter with Sion and Nihlius with this:
"Yes, perhaps due to our bond you can feel the force through me." - To the Exile after Peragus
Then we see her lightsaber moving when Sion looms over her, which means she could still feel the force as the power she described Nihlius doing and what she does was instant, with no slow effects, the only logical reason as to why she couldn't summon the saber was because she was scared shit less of Sion who was about to kick the shit out of her and thus couldn't focus.
Originally posted by Borbarad
[b]b) CombatUlic:
- exceptionally gifted lightsaber combatant
- descriped as "master swordsman"
- above average physical condition (needs two people using the force against him to even hold him down)
- four years of war experienceFought: Warb Null (basically an ancient Sith), King Ommin (Sith magician), Exar Kun (DLotS), Satal Keto (Sith magician), Cay Quel-Droma (Jedi Knight), Sylvar (Dark Jedi) Mandalore (skilled warrior), various minor opponents (Krath forces, Republic forces, Beast Riders, Iziz guards).
[/B]
No one Ulic beat was even on par with Nihilus, Traya and Sion, so your list here is absolutely worthless.
Originally posted by Allankles
No one Ulic beat was even on par with Nihilus, Traya and Sion, so your list here is absolutely worthless.
And that argument is absolutely piss poor considering Nihilus was defeated by 3 people, and stalemating Kun is more impressive than beating a woman who never went all out on you.. Guess what, Kun>Traya, despite what you believe. Your argument was already shut down.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And that argument is absolutely piss poor considering Nihilus was defeated by 3 people, and stalemating Kun is more impressive than beating a woman who never went all out on you.. Guess what, Kun>Traya, despite what you believe. Your argument was already shut down.
I don't remember Ulic beating Kun and the fact that the fight was interrupted makes this feat absolutely worthless.
Traya never held back, you don't use three force controlled sabers if you're holding back. Kreia initiated the fight, forced the Exile to defend herself and promised to kill the Exile if she didn't put up a fight. Where the hell do you get the idea she was holding back?
We've had this argument already, and it's been beaten down.
Nihilus was weakened by the Exile, so it's predominantly the Exile's scalp.
Nihilus, Kreia, Sion> All of Ulic's victories.
And if I wanted to be like Nai, I'd add to the Exile's fought list - besides Atris. Visas, Azkul, many capable Mandalorians in the battle circle including the said-to-be-formidable Brelor. The Exile fought a lot more people than Ulic.
Originally posted by Allankles
I don't remember Ulic beating Kun and the fact that the fight was interrupted makes this feat absolutely worthless.Nihilus, Kreia, Sion> All of Ulic's victories.
And if I wanted to be like Nai, I'd add to the Exile's fought list - besides Atris. Visas, Azkul, many capable Mandalorians in the battle circle including the said-to-be-formidable Brelor. The Exile fought a lot more people than Ulic.
If you're tryin to say the Exile > Ulic, you're wrong. Ulic beats Nihilus, Kreia, Sion, and the Exile, and there's no point in sayin otherwise. The Mandalorians in the battle circle are nothing, man. Just because they believe themselves to be "great warriors" doesn't actually mean they are even capable of beating a slightly-above-average Jedi in a one on one fight. Besides, that's irrelevant. Let me give you an example: I can assure you Revan fought many more people than Sidious, but that doesn't make him stronger or more powerful, the only thing he's got more than Sidious is experience, and, in an all out fight, one on one, it's not really relevant or of any importance. Now, in case you don't know, a STALEMATE doesn't mean a win. Stalemate=draw (or so I was told, please correct me if I'm wrong). But what I DO know is that your "I don't remember Ulic beating Kun argument" is shuted down. Now, maybe the fight was interrputed, but of what we could see, we were able to notice the fight was a stalemate, which makes us think they were equals (at least then), so it doesn't make this feat "absolutely worthless". Now, if for any stupid reason you don't believe the fight was a stalemate, just let me know, so you get crushed once again.
Originally posted by Allankles
I don't remember Ulic beating Kun and the fact that the fight was interrupted makes this feat absolutely worthless.
Traya never held back, you don't use three force controlled sabers if you're holding back. Kreia initiated the fight, forced the Exile to defend herself and promised to kill the Exile if she didn't put up a fight. Where the hell do you get the idea she was holding back?
We've had this argument already, and it's been beaten down.
Nihilus, Kreia, Sion> All of Ulic's victories.
And if I wanted to be like Nai, I'd add to the Exile's fought list - besides Atris. Visas, Azkul, many capable Mandalorians in the battle circle including the said-to-be-formidable Brelor. The Exile fought a lot more people than Ulic. [/B]
Ulic beats Nihilus
Nihilus
-stuns him and slices off his head.
-drains him
-throws him around with TK.
He has -1,000,000 chances of defeating Nihilus.
Kreia,
She drains him. Dead Ulic...again.
Sion
Ulic doesn't come off as exactly that smart or manipulative and so the odds are he'd have no chance of killing Sion thanks to Sion's willful invincibility.
Ulic loses again...this ain't his day.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Nihilus
-stuns him and slices off his head.
-drains him
-throws him around with TK.
She drains him. Dead Ulic...again.
Ulic doesn't come off as exactly that smart or manipulative and so the odds are he'd have no chance of killing Sion thanks to Sion's willful invincibility.
Except Nihilus couldn't even throw Kreia around with TK
Uh...question.
He can't throw her around with TK?
What do you call lifting someone into the air with no physical effort and then slamming them into a wall?
We already showed it wasn't a drain. It doesn't look like a drain and no one says it was a drain. It was just Nihilus TK'ing her into a wall.
nor Visa
He never tried, genius.
so lets stop making shit up
I'm makin gnothing up. Feat he lifted a fleet with his TK. Alsoa feat he wiped out Kreia with TK.
In a saber battle, he would rape Nihilus.
Could that be because...uh...Nihilus never did anything canon with his saber that we know about?
Yet again, he'll rape her in a saber battle.
Has Ulic ever even fought a telekinetic lightsaber duelist?
That doesn't matter, he's superior to Sion in saber abilities and judging by what the exile did, anybody can talk him to death.
*shrug* I don't even like Sion. If you say so.
Originally posted by Nikkolas
Uh...question.He can't throw her around with TK?
What do you call lifting someone into the air with no physical effort and then slamming them into a wall?
We already showed it wasn't a drain. It doesn't look like a drain and no one says it was a drain. It was just Nihilus TK'ing her into a wall.
I'm makin gnothing up. Feat he lifted a fleet with his TK. Alsoa feat he wiped out Kreia with TK.
Could that be because...uh...Nihilus never did anything canon with his saber that we know about?
Has Ulic ever even fought a telekinetic lightsaber duelist?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What do you mean Revan had to plunder tombs? Exar Kun learning Sadow's magic is the exact same thing as Revan plundering tombs and learning sith magic, double standards much Nai? Sure he mastered some techniques, but after reading POD, it's clear that Revan mastered just as much, if not more techniques that Kun hasn't even seen, so I fail to see how Kun is better.
Where did Revan ever learn Sith magic, huh ? Where did he ever learn Sith alchemy ? He walked through the tombs and looted artifacts there but he didn't find knowledge. He collected things that Exar Kun was capable of creating with his own hands. Kun mastered the arts of the Ancient Sith completely and he took some of his knowledge to the grave with him. How can Revan have learned as much or even more about the Dark Side ? He can't. Logical impossibility.
He walked through battlefields? You mean in issue 6 of 6 of DLOTS where the Jedi were occupied with the Krath? Doesn't seem like Kun was walking through anything.
Urm. You did notice that there was a raid going on and Kun simply walked through bombardments without even caring about them. I guess there is a reason why the omniscient narrator tells us that Kun was walking over the battlefield without being hit by shrapnel or fire.
He froze the senate, true, but they weren't force sensitive. Revan knew the thought bomb, and the force storm, but apparently that's not good enough.
Oh. This is great. Revan knew the force bomb ? That most likely is also true for Kun who mastered the arts of the Ancient Sith completely which would include a technique that dated back to the time of the Ancient Sith. And please...the force storm Revan knew was just a point blank area effect version of force lightning. And although it was devastating it doesn't compare to Sidious wormhole like force storms or the offensive abilities of Exar Kun.
Really...the guy was capable of force choking Luke's students all at once, burn Gantoris from inside out and rip Luke's spirit from his body by summoning ebony snakes composed of raw Dark Side energy.
And yes...the Senators weren't force sensitive, correct. Still. If Revan was capable of producing something even coming remotely close to that he could have won the Mandalorian Wars pretty much on his own by freezing armies of Mandalorians and cut them down with his lightsaber.
And it did NOT take the entire Jedi in the galaxy to kill him, it is the amount that they were willing to use. It was stated that "we will summon ALL the Jedi", not "we will NEED all the Jedi". And that nice firestorm wasn't caused by Kun, if you forgot. The Jedi created a Wall of Light when Kun tried to unleash his spirit, which caused a huge firestorm and confined Kun to his Massassi temple.
Oh. You are right. Even all the Jedi in the Galaxy did not manage to kill him. They attacked him with their combined power to "extinquish the corrupted power of the Sith" and they failed as we all know. Only thing they managed to do was chaining him to Yavin 4. Yet he still survived in a rather powerful shape although he lost his body.
What Revan did? Create his own sith empire, came within a hairbreadth of destroying the republic by force, was the only one capable of withstanding Malachor V, created the Rule of two, etc. If we're playing feat wars, Revan far exceeds Kun.
Wow. Let's see. Kun pretty much summoned his own Sith Empire by corrupting Jedi and taking control of the Mandalorians and the Krath (via Ulic). He invaded Coruscant with apparent ease and was also rather close to bring the Republic down completely. And Bane did create the "Rule of Two", not Revan. If you are refering to the fact that Revan had one "apprentice" (Malak) , then Kun "used" that concept before him.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Where did Revan ever learn Sith magic, huh ? Where did he ever learn Sith alchemy ? He walked through the tombs and looted artifacts there but he didn't find knowledge. He collected things that Exar Kun was capable of creating with his own hands. Kun mastered the arts of the Ancient Sith completely and he took some of his knowledge to the grave with him. How can Revan have learned as much or even more about the Dark Side ? He can't. Logical impossibility.
Urm. You did notice that there was a raid going on and Kun simply walked through bombardments without even caring about them. I guess there is a reason why the omniscient narrator tells us that Kun was walking over the battlefield without being hit by shrapnel or fire.
Oh. This is great. Revan knew the force bomb ? That most likely is also true for Kun who mastered the arts of the Ancient Sith completely which would include a technique that dated back to the time of the Ancient Sith. And please...the force storm Revan knew was just a point blank area effect version of force lightning. And although it was devastating it doesn't compare to Sidious wormhole like force storms or the offensive abilities of Exar Kun.
Really...the guy was capable of force choking Luke's students all at once, burn Gantoris from inside out and rip Luke's spirit from his body by summoning ebony snakes composed of raw Dark Side energy.
And yes...the Senators weren't force sensitive, correct. Still. If Revan was capable of producing something even coming remotely close to that he could have won the Mandalorian Wars pretty much on his own by freezing armies of Mandalorians and cut them down with his lightsaber.
Oh. You are right. Even all the Jedi in the Galaxy did not manage to kill him. They attacked him with their combined power to "extinquish the corrupted power of the Sith" and they failed as we all know. Only thing they managed to do was chaining him to Yavin 4. Yet he still survived in a rather powerful shape although he lost his body.
Wow. Let's see. Kun pretty much summoned his own Sith Empire by corrupting Jedi and taking control of the Mandalorians and the Krath (via Ulic). He invaded Coruscant with apparent ease and was also rather close to bring the Republic down completely. And Bane did create the "Rule of Two", not Revan. If you are refering to the fact that Revan had one "apprentice" (Malak) , then Kun "used" that concept before him. [/B]