Originally posted by Validus
He's overrated because you have people thinking he can destroy a universe under his own power and totally, like, pwNz0rZ King Thor!!He's high herald and nothing more.
if I recall correctly he did destroy a universe, but he needed assitance from entropy, so that's not really saying to much. And I do think he had the upper edge on king thor, but it was basically a stalemate.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i think the least buggery comes from moving sentry/void up a notch. if we leave sentry/void in mid, then terrax DEFINITELY has to drop a level, which kind of throws the herald equilibrium out of wack.i've actually been thinking that some of the top tier heralds, like superman silver surfer etc., get put into a category between high herald and transcendent. then we could move beta ray bill, wonder woman, sentry/void, and acouple others into the now vacated high herald spot.
Co signed. Superman and Surfer seem to be actually a step above all other herald lvlers. I would put Orion and Thor there as well and maybe infinityman and spartan void. If we dont' make another catagory, would should number the lvls within the catagory. Cuz some stuff just seems odd to me. I don't see how Orion could be in the same catagory as Wonder WOman. He would beat her senseless if he used his full power. Martian Manhunter would Eat half the people alive in his catagory. So there has to be a further break down.
Originally posted by ValidusLet's be frank here his best feats so far against other people most of whom vary in power to begin with.
The main reason I agree with mano is because the closest thing he has to a low showing is Civil War where he was briefly getting punched in the face by Hercules and Hulkling. His average is extremely high at this point.I can certainly see why you'd say Mid Herald though. That is where I put him since I made the list in the first place. 😛
Terrax, Hulk, and Strange all go up and down in different scenarios.
Plus there something very many people are overlooking during Civil War. That when Sentry joined the Pro side everyone wasn't all scared and ready to wet themselves yet when they thought Thor had shown up they weren't exactly smiles and giggles on the subject.
I still think it is too soon to place him in the Elite tier yet.
Originally posted by Newjak
Let's be frank here his best feats so far against other people most of whom vary in power to begin with.Terrax, Hulk, and Strange all go up and down in different scenarios.
Plus there something very many people are overlooking during Civil War. That when Sentry joined the Pro side everyone wasn't all scared and ready to wet themselves yet when they thought Thor had shown up they weren't exactly smiles and giggles on the subject.
I still think it is too soon to place him in the Elite tier yet.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Place Numbers within the existing Catagories. People Like surfer,Thor,Sueprman, Gl's, get a number 2 by thier name. Infinity Man, Insane Genis get a number 1 and yada yada.
EDIT - He shouldnt be. 😐
Originally posted by ValidusDid anybody on Earth really that Thor though 😛
The last time anybody saw Thor, he had the Odinforce so that's understandable.
And I think the interpretation the writers were going for though was one of Classic Thor was back lets crap ourself not that they were trying to sell him being RKT.
Originally posted by Newjak
Did anybody on Earth really that Thor though 😛And I think the interpretation the writers were going for though was one of Classic Thor was back lets crap ourself not that they were trying to sell him being RKT.
Cosigned. The new writers of Thor also said that they are basically ignoring Ragnarok even happening, if I recall correctly. If they address it at all, it's going to be in the form of "Everything's back to normal now."
Originally posted by Validus
The last time anybody saw Thor, he had the Odinforce so that's understandable.
I think it's likely we'll see a Thor and Sentry fight in the not so distant future, considering Thor's coming back, and Marvel really likes putting "big guns" against one another. If such a thing happens, and Sentry completely pwns him, I'll be more swayed.
note! unofficial! note!
in my mind, it would looks something like this:
Transcendent (Sub-Skyfather):
Amazo, Black Racer, Blackheart, Circe, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mogo(?), Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
ELITE
baron zemo (with moonstones), doomsday, green lantern (hal, kyle, alan), Moonstone (w/ both stones), silver surfer, superman/blue-red, thor
Herald
High:
Adam Warlock, Beta-Ray Bill, Captain Marvel, Eradicator (???), Genis-Vell, Infinity-Man, Majestic, Martian Manhunter, The Sentry, SInestro, Spartan 3.0 (???), Stardust, Wonder Woman, The Void
Middle
Alexander Nero, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Cyborg Superman, Damien Hellstrom, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Ikaris, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire
Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, The Atom, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Darkness, Darwin, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, Winter
Metahuman: (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)
High:
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Doom, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nimrod, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx
Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Rogue, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder Girl
Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rom, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar
Street Level:
High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Crossbones, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23
Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat
Low
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger
anyway, you get the idea
Originally posted by Newjak
Did anybody on Earth really that Thor though 😛And I think the interpretation the writers were going for though was one of Classic Thor was back lets crap ourself not that they were trying to sell him being RKT.
I know what you're saying. I think Thor would beat Sentry. Actually I think anyone in the High Herald bracket would beat Sentry. I do see both sides of this argument.
Originally posted by manorastroman
[b]note! unofficial! note!in my mind, it would looks something like this:
Transcendent (Sub-Skyfather):
Amazo, Black Racer, Blackheart, Circe, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mogo(?), Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Stayne, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), ValidusELITE
baron zemo (with moonstones), doomsday, green lantern (hal, kyle, alan), Moonstone (w/ both stones), silver surfer, superman/blue-red, thorHerald
High:
Adam Warlock, Beta-Ray Bill, Captain Marvel, Eradicator (???), Genis-Vell, Infinity-Man, Majestic, Martian Manhunter, The Sentry, SInestro, Spartan 3.0 (???), Stardust, Wonder Woman, The VoidMiddle
Alexander Nero, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Cyborg Superman, Damien Hellstrom, The Eradicator, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John), Hyperion, Ikaris, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, WildfireLow
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, The Atom, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Darkness, Darwin, Death Metal, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Union, Vulcan, WinterMetahuman: (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)
High:
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Donna Troy, Doom, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nimrod, Northstar, Osiris, Pitt, Plastic-Man, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Ultron, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, ZzaxxMiddle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head II, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider, Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Jenny Sparks, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Rogue, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Toxin, Vance Astro, Wonder GirlLow
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Rom, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wizard, Wolverine, WulfgarStreet Level:
High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Crossbones, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, WildcatLow
Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tigeranyway, you get the idea [/B]
this will jsut cause more arguement over who should be high herald. Like if this happens, I might find myself saying, move CA up or something, depending on who else is moved up