Originally posted by ValidusI disagree I mean let's look at him in Civil War's last fight not exactly looking completely over powering there was he. I think he needs to be fleshed out more before we bump him up to the likes of Hal Jordan and Silver Surfer😛
Yes.
Just the fact everyone excepts him as a Mid-Herald right now is good enough for me.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Breaking Strange's mind control at this point IS NOT a feat. He's been depowered.He should never be able to beat Genis. That's not up for discussion.
Terrax jobs like hell.
Taking out a prepped Strange is also not a feat. And Apocalypse could beat the rest of that team.
why would you assume that he shouldn't be able to beat genis, or that terrax jobbed? i realize that the most recent terrax showing has him splitting a damn planet in half in one blow, but it's not like sentry has any low showings to counteract any of this. i mean, if sentry lost to ms marvel or something, i could see why you assume that terrax jobbed and that genis should have won.
you know what, scratch that. screw your hate. the sentry/genis fight was actually very well written. and since when was beating a prepped strange NOT a feat, especially when he comes with a prepped iron man, a prepped reed richards, a prepped SHIELD, and a whole bunch of high mid-tier/low herald level guys?
there's no way apoc could replicate the feat from new avengers.
and if sentry doesn't belong in high herald, then both terrax and genis need to be moved down. honestly, how can anyone justify sentry being a level below a man he stalemated and on the same level as terrax, who he embarassed like non other?
Originally posted by manorastroman
why would you assume that he shouldn't be able to beat genis, or that terrax jobbed? i realize that the most recent terrax showing has him splitting a damn planet in half in one blow, but it's not like sentry has any low showings to counteract any of this. i mean, if sentry lost to ms marvel or something, i could see why you assume that terrax jobbed and that genis should have won.you know what, scratch that. screw your hate. the sentry/genis fight was actually very well written. and since when was beating a prepped strange NOT a feat, especially when he comes with a prepped iron man, a prepped reed richards, a prepped SHIELD, and a whole bunch of high mid-tier/low herald level guys?
there's no way apoc could replicate the feat from new avengers.
Well I think it's safe to assume, that he won't have any low showings for a while, but until he beats someone like thor, Silver Surfer, and people among that atagory, my vote remains the same
The main reason I agree with mano is because the closest thing he has to a low showing is Civil War where he was briefly getting punched in the face by Hercules and Hulkling. His average is extremely high at this point.
I can certainly see why you'd say Mid Herald though. That is where I put him since I made the list in the first place. 😛
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, about Genis....The "create the universe" feat and "King Thor fight" are non-feats. What the hell has he actually done?
Maybe Genis should be moved down, not Sentry up (though I still vote for High Herald)
he is usually considered on par with The Surfer, had he been alive to participate in Annihilation, we may have seen something different, but I'll have to agree for now, based off feats, genis could be moved down one, however that does not change the fact that sentry should remain where he is
Originally posted by Validus
Genis was more powerful than Zemo when they fought. Zemo was equal in might to Grandmaster.I realize thats a bit of ABC logic but he was still always portrayed as being rather awesome. Dammit to hell if he couldn't curbstomp 90% of the Mid Herald level guys.
and fight well against the majority of the high herald guys. Validus, your going to confuse so many KMCers when u say he's high herald, but over rated 😛
i think the least buggery comes from moving sentry/void up a notch. if we leave sentry/void in mid, then terrax DEFINITELY has to drop a level, which kind of throws the herald equilibrium out of wack.
i've actually been thinking that some of the top tier heralds, like superman silver surfer etc., get put into a category between high herald and transcendent. then we could move beta ray bill, wonder woman, sentry/void, and acouple others into the now vacated high herald spot.
Originally posted by Redatom65
and fight well against the majority of the high herald guys. Validus, your going to confuse so many KMCers when u say he's high herald, but over rated 😛
He's high herald and nothing more.
Originally posted by manorastroman
i think the least buggery comes from moving sentry/void up a notch. if we leave sentry/void in mid, then terrax DEFINITELY has to drop a level, which kind of throws the herald equilibrium out of wack.i've actually been thinking that some of the top tier heralds, like superman silver surfer etc., get put into a category between high herald and transcendent. then we could move beta ray bill, wonder woman, sentry/void, and acouple others into the now vacated high herald spot.
I didn't even notice Terrax was in the high herald spot!
Might not be bad idea. Captain Atom and the Martian could certainly be moved up in said scenario, but I'm pretty sure no one, wants to mess with the categories...again