KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Newjak
Surfer has shown to shift and manipulate time.

As to teleporting beings across the universe. He hasn't done that, but knowing precise locations of things across the vastness of space. He has done that before.

As to altering reality, Surfer has some nigh crazy feats dealing with the physical world. Some would call it vast Matter Manipulation, but suffice it to say the Surfer can change the world around him if he so chooses to.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Alterning reality is something I haven't seen any herald level being do. they do matter manipulate. Sometimes to a high end degree. And teleporting beings to thier precise location from the end of the universe is a feat skyfather's do. Where they not only know where everyone belongs, but tp them there from across the universe. Knowing locations of things from vast locations in space isn't quite the same. As far as surfer shifting and manipulation time, I've seen him travel time. and maybe alter time on an individiuals basis. I've never seen him manipulate actual time. Nor have i seen him protect skyfather, and over skyfather beings from being harmed. That is just me.

Loki manipulated reality...

Takion is where he is because of his Highfather status. Feat wise, he isn't above Surfer, Hal, Kyle, Genis, Spartan, Zemo or the other high herald energy wielders.

Originally posted by llagrok
Loki manipulated reality...

Originally posted by fangirl101
And loki is clearly superior to dr. strange in magic is he not? Most beings who manipulate magic are hard to peg to the tier system as is.

Nvr, you so crazy

I'll move Etrigan.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Sometimes I think the voting doesn't really mean it's correct.

But it's democratic. Are we to let 1-2 people decide each placement? I consider myself as unbiased as any, and wouldn't want that burden placed upon me, because I'd undoubtedly make mistakes. The list may not be perfect in your opinion, or anyone's. You're welcome to make your own for personal use. But it's the forum's list. No one can deny that.

So the bickering and dissent can continue if you want, but is fruitless. Like I said, if you can't abide by our rules, make your own list for personal use.

Originally posted by fangirl101
when I want a response from you, then I'll address you.

No, it's a public forum. People will respond when they damn well feel like it.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'll move Etrigan.

But it's democratic. Are we to let 1-2 people decide each placement? I consider myself as unbiased as any, and wouldn't want that burden placed upon me, because I'd undoubtedly make mistakes. The list may not be perfect in your opinion, or anyone's. You're welcome to make your own for personal use. But it's the forum's list. No one can deny that.

So the bickering and dissent can continue if you want, but is fruitless. Like I said, if you can't abide by our rules, make your own list for personal use.

No, it's a public forum. People will respond when they damn well feel like it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Don't get cute or cuss at me digi. It is a public forum, and if you are going to hold me to a standard, then freaking hold everyone to a standard to address people with DAMNED respect. Thanks. Oh and we know it's not perfect. So becuz the majority says roll over, I should just take my opion and shove it? What the hell is the point of discussing something if you can't debate? You never know. Someone may debate hard enough and actually change the minds of the masses once they give it enough thought. Dr. King anyone?

How about, just hurry up and get banned already nvr.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
How about, just hurry up and get banned already nvr.

Originally posted by fangirl101
nvr was banned sometime ago. I'm fangirl101. Get that thru your head. Please. Already. Ok. now.

Sure whatever! 🙄 just hurry up already....

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Sure whatever! 🙄 just hurry up already....

Originally posted by fangirl101
Don't get cute or cuss at me digi. It is a public forum, and if you are going to hold me to a standard, then freaking hold everyone to a standard to address people with DAMNED respect. Thanks. Oh and we know it's not perfect. So becuz the majority says roll over, I should just take my opion and shove it? What the hell is the point of discussing something if you can't debate? You never know. Someone may debate hard enough and actually change the minds of the masses once they give it enough thought. Dr. King anyone?

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Classic Nvr overreaction. How did Digi's post warrant this response? 😂

Don't worry, nvr was reported for that one.

Originally posted by Val-E-Doosh
Classic Nvr overreaction. How did Digi's post warrant this response? 😂

The globals have been dragging their feet for, well, months now. We have posting habit matches, familiarity with certain characters and members, as well as local IP matches (which are far harder to mask than exact socks, which are easily dodged). As well as multiple "eyeball" confirmations by mods, members, etc. Oh, and a few warnings on this account as well, which almost amounts to a perm ban in and of itself (and definitely the temp ban I recommended, which did go through, btw). At some point, it seems, we lost the trust of the globals. I used to recommend bans based on forum protocols, provide the evidence, and it was done. Anymore, not so much, and I'm not the only one. I can't say I know why, since no reason has been given. It's mainly been a big silent treatment while we metaphorically wave our arms helplessly, trying to get noticed.

It's a shame, really, because it undermines our ability to properly control our forums. Especially in cases like this, where the poster has shown no improvement, has socked, and is as immature as ever. I'm not trying to sow dissension, because I genuinely like the globals, but I've said these exact words to them, so it's nothing they don't already know. It's also so that you guys realize that we (the comic mods) are not turning a blind eye to this, but have been actively working to keep the forums controlled.

Given the current state, and my inability to enact bans in some situations, the best we can do is welcome fangirl (sock or not) and hope that he behaves as he should on the forums.

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As it is, using the word damn in the context that I did was for emphasis. "they damn well please" was not even directed at fangirl, but modified the actions of others, which a simple analysis of the sentence would tell you.

And a hearty lulz at equating discussion over a tiers thread to civil rights. Yes, I'm clearly repressing the voice of the people, instead of facilitating a democratic vote ( 🙄 ). And if you'll re-read my post, I also invited you to continue with your dissent, which is perfectly fine as long as it remains within forum rules. You're welcome to continue to post on the topic, though I called it fruitless, which it likely would be after such a decisive vote.

I also offered alternatives to getting upset at the list (making your own). All in all, it was a fairly progressive post intended to help you. The fact that you choose to see it as an insult and overreact is your own problem.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm tired of being called this nvr person.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The globals have been dragging their feet for, well, months now. We have posting habit matches, familiarity with certain characters and members, as well as local IP matches (which are far harder to mask than exact socks, which are easily dodged). As well as multiple "eyeball" confirmations by mods, members, etc. Oh, and a few warnings on this account as well, which almost amounts to a perm ban in and of itself (and definitely the temp ban I recommended, which did go through, btw).

It should be noted, however, that my thoughts on the matter are not license to bash or harass. Such behaviors will be dealt with the same as ever, regardless of the recipient. Raz or the Judge, it makes no difference if you are being disrespectful.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
The globals have been dragging their feet for, well, months now. We have posting habit matches, familiarity with certain characters and members, as well as local IP matches (which are far harder to mask than exact socks, which are easily dodged). As well as multiple "eyeball" confirmations by mods, members, etc. Oh, and a few warnings on this account as well, which almost amounts to a perm ban in and of itself (and definitely the temp ban I recommended, which did go through, btw). At some point, it seems, we lost the trust of the globals. I used to recommend bans based on forum protocols, provide the evidence, and it was done. Anymore, not so much, and I'm not the only one. I can't say I know why, since no reason has been given. It's mainly been a big silent treatment while we metaphorically wave our arms helplessly, trying to get noticed.

It's a shame, really, because it undermines our ability to properly control our forums. Especially in cases like this, where the poster has shown no improvement, has socked, and is as immature as ever. I'm not trying to sow dissension, because I genuinely like the globals, but I've said these exact words to them, so it's nothing they don't already know. It's also so that you guys realize that we (the comic mods) are not turning a blind eye to this, but have been actively working to keep the forums controlled.

Given the current state, and my inability to enact bans in some situations, the best we can do is welcome fangirl (sock or not) and hope that he behaves as he should on the forums.

....

As it is, using the word damn in the context that I did was for emphasis. "they damn well please" was not even directed at fangirl, but modified the actions of others, which a simple analysis of the sentence would tell you.

And a hearty lulz at equating discussion over a tiers thread to civil rights. Yes, I'm clearly repressing the voice of the people, instead of facilitating a democratic vote ( 🙄 ). And if you'll re-read my post, I also invited you to continue with your dissent, which is perfectly fine as long as it remains within forum rules. You're welcome to continue to post on the topic, though I called it fruitless, which it likely would be after such a decisive vote.

I also offered alternatives to getting upset at the list (making your own). All in all, it was a fairly progressive post intended to help you. The fact that you choose to see it as an insult and overreact is your own problem.

My opinion on the matter remains the same, however, I'd like to highlight these words from the post:

the best we can do is welcome fangirl (sock or not) and hope that he behaves as he should on the forums.

I don't hold grudges. I don't dislike even problem members. Follow the rules, and you're fine by me. And so long as you're a member, the same treatment will be expected toward you as anyone.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My opinion on the matter remains the same, however, I'd like to highlight these words from the post:

the best we can do is welcome fangirl (sock or not) and hope that he behaves as he should on the forums.

I don't hold grudges. I don't dislike even problem members. Follow the rules, and you're fine by me. And so long as you're a member, the same treatment will be expected toward you as anyone.