KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Faux Smurph
I have a bit of a problem with the high meta/low herald separation.

Why is Karate Kid low herald? Darwin? Gamora? Forerunner?

Jack Hawksmoor has one solid herald showing, and a bunch of meta level stuff. He should realistically be high meta.

The Wendigos should be listed by type, and most should be in high meta, IMO. Though I could be wrong, but...

Why is Drax is low herald? Has his current incarnation been re-tiered?

I'm pretty sure Apollo isn't any higher than Simon.

Is that Isis, as in Black Adam's late wife, that's listed as low herald?

What are Tempest's low herald showings?

There's also Prof. X that I really don't see as low herald if characters like Emma Frost are only high.

Anyways, that was after one look at the list.

plus atom smasher

Extremis Iron Man has gotten his butt kicked too much for him to go to low herald. He's not that much greater than classic Iron Man. Fact is, classic Iron Man plainly has better feats than Extremis Iron Man.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Extremis Iron Man has gotten his butt kicked too much for him to go to low herald. He's not that much greater than classic Iron Man. Fact is, classic Iron Man plainly has better feats than Extremis Iron Man.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Extremis Iron Man has gotten his butt kicked too much for him to go to low herald. He's not that much greater than classic Iron Man. Fact is, classic Iron Man plainly has better feats than Extremis Iron Man.

Were you not the one that said Ultimate Ironman was better than regular Ironman? Just reference checking..

Look, Extremis Ironman has technopathy, reacts faster than he ever did before, has a healing factor, is stronger, ect ect ect. I can count all his technological facts (plus his extremis given powers) but in all honesty let me break it down to you in simple mathematical terms.

Ironman = High Meta. Probably the very definition of the term.

Ironman + Extremis given powers = Low Herald.

Extremis BY ITSELF would make someone high meta. Add to that Ironman's armor? Its a no brainer. Ironman to Low Herald

he's been up for low herald before and been voted to stay. It's not unanimous. I'm not opposed to moving him, but a whirlwind of 5-6 votes in a short period isn't how we make decisions, especially with well-known characters.

Someone do a vote count for Extremis. I'll let it go a couple more days before deciding anything.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Were you not the one that said Ultimate Ironman was better than regular Ironman? Just reference checking..

Look, Extremis Ironman has technopathy, reacts faster than he ever did before, has a healing factor, is stronger, ect ect ect. I can count all his technological facts (plus his extremis given powers) but in all honesty let me break it down to you in simple mathematical terms.

Ironman = High Meta. Probably the very definition of the term.

Ironman + Extremis given powers = Low Herald.

Extremis BY ITSELF would make someone high meta. Add to that Ironman's armor? Its a no brainer. Ironman to Low Herald

Ironman = High Meta. He is the definition of the term because of his showings.

Ironman + Extremis given powers = done nothing impressive or even close to classic Ironman's best feats.

Recent Ironman has gotten punked by Thor like he's never been in his entire career. He's been kicked around by a 1940's Cap. He's had ninjas stab his armor. He's had his helmet torn off by Winter Soldier. He's had Spiderman, of all people, glue up his boots, web him up completely before his repulsors came back online and also had his helmet torn off. He's been completely shut off by Young Avenger's Vision. I like Ironman. But he's the village whore of "kickmyassplease."

He stays at high meta.

He has also shown much more versatility than ever before, reacts in picoseconds, controls Shields, punked every single one of his old rouges, can fly faster than ever before (Mach 8+), has uni beams hotter than the sun, beat Graviton (a former team buster), and tons of more crap that I do not have the time to post up. Everyone has low showings, and when you appear as many times as he does lately, it averages out.

Which brings me to another point: He has been around Marvel as much as anyone now. Standings in their respective universe is also taken into account for moving up a tier.

Plus loosing to current Thor is not a low showing.
Honestly I would expect Thor to oneshot him (F&CK that D!CKHE@D Loeb and his Rulk wanking) if he was more serious

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He has also shown much more versatility than ever before, punked every single one of his old rouges, and tons of more crap that I do not have the time to post up. Everyone has low showings, and when you appear as many times as he does lately, it averages out.

Which brings me to another point: He has been around Marvel as much as anyone now. Standings in their respective universe is also taken into account for moving up a tier.

... if he hasn't been so humiliatingly stomped on by everyone. And I mean pretty much everyone since he's received the upgrade. His battles in the Extremis Ironman form do not average out. It almost appears like he is even weaker. Aside from the beatdowns given by Thor, Cap, Hand ninjas, Winter Soldier, Spiderman and Vision... we also have Ultron completely punking his awesome new woot-armor, Namor utterly bitchslapping him and still being beneath Black Bolt's notice in Silent War. He's also still clearly below Dr. Doom who's armor, even when ambushed, still equals his and his magic clearly gives him an absolutely insurmountable edge. Hell, before he finally got some EMP protection, he got punked by Hawkeye of the Young Avengers for goodness sake. And that protection still didn't save him from Winter Soldier! This does not average out. At all. Not even close.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The obvious upgrade he has received might be enough on it's own to justify pushing him up...

... if he hasn't been so humiliatingly stomped on by everyone. And I mean pretty much everyone since he's received the upgrade. His battles in the Extremis Ironman form do not average out. It almost appears like he is even weaker. Aside from the beatdowns given by Thor, Cap, Hand ninjas, Winter Soldier, Spiderman and Vision... we also have Ultron completely punking his awesome new woot-armor, Namor utterly bitchslapping him and still being beneath Black Bolt's notice in Silent War. He's also still clearly below Dr. Doom who's armor, even when ambushed, still equals his and his magic clearly gives him an absolutely insurmountable edge. Hell, before he finally got some EMP protection, he got punked by Hawkeye of the Young Avengers for goodness sake. And that protection still didn't save him from Winter Soldier! This does not average out. At all. Not even close.

Good arguments.
Scratch my vote in favor of Extremis for now.
I'll do some more reading and then vote.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
He[...]reacts in picoseconds

Where?

Hell, wait a week or so then read my tourney match. I might actually vote him to high meta, but I guarantee there'll be low herald votes after I use Tony.

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Originally posted by Soljer
Where?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hell, wait a week or so then read my tourney match. I might actually vote him to high meta, but I guarantee there'll be low herald votes after I use Tony.

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Hes not high-meta already?

Against Iron Man to low-herald.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

And you don't think he's talking about CPU time? "Lemme open up 'Isolate Signal.exe' which'll finish in just a few clock cycles."

That was my inclination upon reading it, not to mention the fact that a single showing where the character's inner narration describes a short time (possibly for dramatic purposes) doesn't really lend much credence to the supposition.

Omniscient narration describing the time would be better. Even better than that would be an actual 'timer' with which we could compare actions.

I find myself extremely skeptical of that scan being provided as evidence of Tony having picosecond reaction times. The evidence for it is highly dubious and to be frank...that's Flash-level reaction times for ****'s sake.

Not that Tony needs picosecond reaction times to get low-herald.

Iron man for the speedblitz. Heh.

Originally posted by Soljer
And you don't think he's talking about CPU time? "Lemme open up 'Isolate Signal.exe' which'll finish in just a few clock cycles."

That was my inclination upon reading it, not to mention the fact that a single showing where the character's inner narration describes a short time (possibly for dramatic purposes) doesn't really lend much credence to the supposition.

Omniscient narration describing the time would be better. Even better than that would be an actual 'timer' with which we could compare actions.

I find myself extremely skeptical of that scan being provided as evidence of Tony having picosecond reaction times. The evidence for it is highly dubious and to be frank...that's Flash-level reaction times for ****'s sake.

Not that Tony needs picosecond reaction times to get low-herald.

So at least the concept of him being able to operate in fractions of measurements was established. Not that it equals thinking speed, but at least some precedent for it is there kinda.

Originally posted by Newjak
To be fair in the same run Ironman has also gained Microscopic vision. Enough to see individual nano-bots.

So at least the concept of him being able to operate in fractions of measurements was established. Not that it equals thinking speed, but at least some precedent for it is there kinda.

Technology allowing him to see microscopic units isn't nearly as far fetched as him somehow gaining Flash-level reaction speed.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I trust you guys aren't jerks enough to use it as bait to get Tony banned from my team in the tourney, yes?

All your Extremis are belong to us.

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