Originally posted by DigiMark007
Deserving it, basically, just like any other tier. Only a few showings of any kind aren't enough to put him there, simply because everyone at High Herald has multiple high end showings in a number of realms (power/versatility/etc.).
Originally posted by fangirl101
Like Adam Worlock? I've read him for years. He seemed more like a Mid herald leveler. He isn't overly fast. Or That powerful. He'd have a hard time with black Bolt. Soul gem excluded of course.
Warlock has winning records, even sans gem, against Surfer, Quasar, and others. He has thrown down physically with Drax (the dumb, muscled version) resisted a black hole, survived violent re-entry unharmed, and has proven himself more skilled than nearly anyone in the high herald group. Energy blasts, teleportation, the ability to remain unseen to any foe via his nature, which is beyond the realm of causality.
The gem, for all its soul-sucking prowess, actually reduces his natural powers. So minus the soul suck, the gem actually makes him less powerful, so it's not quite the equalizer people think. Peak Warlock is without a gem.
Current Warlock hasn't done anything. So I agree there. Classic Warlock, with all of that combined with his tactical genius, deserves his spot.
I'm making two motions:
Solomon Grundy (peak) down to High Herald.
Karate Kid down to High Meta.
Even at his team-wrecking best, Grundy lacks Transcendent-level feats. KK doesn't belong in Low Herald. He's stalemated Low Heralds at his best, but never really beaten them. Basically what you'd expect if, say, Iron Man were to spar with a lot of Low Heralds. A lot of good showings, but few (if any) wins.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm making two motions:Solomon Grundy (peak) down to High Herald.
Karate Kid down to High Meta.
Even at his team-wrecking best, Grundy lacks Transcendent-level feats. KK doesn't belong in Low Herald. He's stalemated Low Heralds at his best, but never really beaten them. Basically what you'd expect if, say, Iron Man were to spar with a lot of Low Heralds. A lot of good showings, but few (if any) wins.
I can agree with both of these 🙂
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm making two motions:Solomon Grundy (peak) down to High Herald.
Karate Kid down to High Meta.
Even at his team-wrecking best, Grundy lacks Transcendent-level feats. KK doesn't belong in Low Herald. He's stalemated Low Heralds at his best, but never really beaten them. Basically what you'd expect if, say, Iron Man were to spar with a lot of Low Heralds. A lot of good showings, but few (if any) wins.
For both moves. Some low heralds are placed there based on their rep, Karate Kid being among them.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm making two motions:Solomon Grundy (peak) down to High Herald.
Karate Kid down to High Meta.
Even at his team-wrecking best, Grundy lacks Transcendent-level feats. KK doesn't belong in Low Herald. He's stalemated Low Heralds at his best, but never really beaten them. Basically what you'd expect if, say, Iron Man were to spar with a lot of Low Heralds. A lot of good showings, but few (if any) wins.
I agree with both moves.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Saying Karate Kid is placed there soley based on his rep denotes a lack of knowledge on the character.
I'm not saying he's a "streeter" or anything- mastering ANY known form of martial arts in the galaxy counts for something. But if one's best showings are stalemating low heralds and beating a few of them...well, then you can discuss moving down.
The "rep" plays its part only in placement of a character a tier higher than he should belong in general based on him being a "standart" for something...a title-based placing.
Not to take anything from Karate Kid's feats.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Saying Karate Kid is placed there soley based on his rep denotes a lack of knowledge on the character.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I'm not saying he's a "streeter" or anything- mastering ANY known form of martial arts in the galaxy counts for something. But if one's best showings are stalemating low heralds and beating a few of them...well, then you can discuss moving down.
It does count for something, especially since he has actually shown crazy feats by appying them. And no, his best showings aren't stalemating and beating a few low heralds.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm making two motions:Solomon Grundy (peak) down to High Herald.
Karate Kid down to High Meta.
Even at his team-wrecking best, Grundy lacks Transcendent-level feats. KK doesn't belong in Low Herald. He's stalemated Low Heralds at his best, but never really beaten them. Basically what you'd expect if, say, Iron Man were to spar with a lot of Low Heralds. A lot of good showings, but few (if any) wins.
I support the Grundy move but not the KK one. Remember he's also stalemated high- and mid-heralds a handful of times (PCSuperboy, members of the FatalFive) and has heightened TP and fear resistance thanks to his MA training.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosIron Man has done the same.
I support the Grundy move but not the KK one. Remember he's also stalemated high- and mid-heralds a handful of times (PCSuperboy, members of the FatalFive) and has heightened TP and fear resistance thanks to his MA training.
I think the point Digi is trying to make is that in reality KK really doesn't have a chance against any of them unless they played right into his game.
For instance Silver surfer vs KK = KK is now a puddle of goo if Surfer even played the battle less than halfway smart.
Originally posted by Newjak
Iron Man has done the same.I think the point Digi is trying to make is that in reality KK really doesn't have a chance against any of them unless they played right into his game.
For instance Silver surfer vs KK = KK is now a puddle of goo if Surfer even played the battle less than halfway smart.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't IM go after high- and mid-heralds with specifically adapted armors? It's hardly the same thing.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I support the Grundy move but not the KK one. Remember he's also stalemated high- and mid-heralds a handful of times (PCSuperboy, members of the FatalFive) and has heightened TP and fear resistance thanks to his MA training.
Ummmm....he didnt stalemate PC Superboy, he'd just put up a decent fight until SB had enough and won.
Originally posted by Newjak
Iron Man has done the same.I think the point Digi is trying to make is that in reality KK really doesn't have a chance against any of them unless they played right into his game.
For instance Silver surfer vs KK = KK is now a puddle of goo if Surfer even played the battle less than halfway smart.
Originally posted by fangirl101Even in personaility SS should beat KK rather easily, as should Thor, Green Lanterns, Superman and the like.
Well Surfer's personality wouldn't have him turning KK into a puddle. But he'd win very quickly. On the other hand, Someone like Thor, wouldn't win quickly. And in my book, Thor=>Surfer. No high meta has any business being able to even play with mid or high level herald levelers.
As to the Meta question. You are right they don't have any business hanging with heralds but they do.