KMC Comic Book Tiers

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Lets wait until this event is over shall we?

We just cant vote a character move in the middle of a big event.

And one or few bad feats? that doesn't warrant a vote down.

Actually I have bin questioning why they are not in trans list since I first laid eyes on list. Blackest Night #1, for me just confirmed that they are nothing above the likes such as The Doctor (Wildstorm). Hell Solusandra, would outright stomp the cosmic smurphs. And I mean all of them at once.

Its not their recent set of failures. Its that they fail as whole though out their meaningless existence.

But I will just leave it at that. I've spoken my peace. It's up for vote.

I'm with Id. It's not just the 'recent' stuff. Everything I've read post-crisis with them. All of it, nothing has shown them to be above a trans tier ranking IMO. They're either doing nothing (Hal going ballistic) or failing epically (pre-DOS Doomsday/Apokolips/Prime/Blackest Night #1).

How is Prime a low showing? Or the war against Apokolips? The first was excusable, or did you not notice the insane shit Prime was doing during sin corp war?

As for Apokolips, that's a tactical **** up and also not a low showing. They picked a fight with the most heavily armed and well fortified planet in the entire DCU. Darkseid's home base. Most empires would have failed there. Even quite a few high end comics wouldn't be able to take that planet.

Blackest Night is arguable, given that it was a fellow guardian and she was channeling the guardian power and the Black Lantern power.

It's their stupidity more than a lack of power that's been their downfall, something they all realised a bout five seconds before

Spoiler:
Scar took a chunk out of one of them.

Then there's Ganthet and Sayd, who aren't tools. They even made a new corps just for the lulz.

If they consistently had a drop in power, maybe, but Blackest Night is still running.

Let's wait until Black Night is over.

My vote is based on a lot more than that though.

Originally posted by id369
It's up for vote.

Actually, it's not. See my earlier posts on the subject. We're waiting. No votes are being counted.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, it's not. See my earlier posts on the subject. We're waiting. No votes are being counted.

Sounds like a plan.

Now on to something even more important. How familiar are you with the characters in Invincible? I'm trying to get a decent placing on Atom-Eve and possibly Viltrumites.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, it's not. See my earlier posts on the subject. We're waiting. No votes are being counted.

You want to wait. Hey this wait could last, up to next year. Be my guest.

I am still keeping count.

Zatanna is still missing from the list.

I also say Elektra should be low metahuman. She has low level telepathy, a silent scream, chi amping, she has feats that rival those in that tier, etc.

I thought we all agreed on Mid herald?

Originally posted by id369
You want to wait. Hey this wait could last, up to next year. Be my guest.

I am still keeping count.

But the votes are null. The same people would have to re-vote after a lot of new info comes in, and it may change or they may not be around.

I'd also rather not spam the thread with voting that counts for nothing. So post-Darkest Night you're welcome to broach the subject again. Until then, let it go.

And yes, mid was decided for Z. I'll add her sometime.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I thought we all agreed on Mid herald?

We did, though she still wasn't added. However her Starbreaker feat still makes me more inclined to say high herald. However, I'm a fanboy.

😛

Originally posted by Digi
But the votes are null. The same people would have to re-vote after a lot of new info comes in, and it may change or they may not be around.

I'd also rather not spam the thread with voting that counts for nothing. So post-Darkest Night you're welcome to broach the subject again. Until then, let it go. [/B]

Originally posted by Digi
[b]The List

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, Doomsday (Gog Wars), The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Kurse, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), Quasar, Qztr, Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (including B/R, KC, Tangent, and AS), Swamp Thing, Talisman, Thor, The Void, Zoom II (Hunter Solomon)

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet, Captain Marvel (DC), Count Nefaria, Damien Hellstrom, Etrigan, Evinlea, The Fallen One, Firelord, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), The General (Shaggy Man), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hulk, Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Juggernaut (Classic), Kid Omega, Lobo, Loki, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Metamorpho, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Sentry, Sersi, Shaman, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Witchfire (Demon Form), Wonder Woman, Zatanna

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Doomsday (DOS), Dr. Doom (U), Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Light II (Kimiyo Hoshi), Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Enchantress, Engineer, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Forerunner, Gammid, Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gold Key Solar, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), Guardian I (James Hudson), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hercules (Immortal), Iceman, Invincible, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jericho, Kalibak, Kang, Krypto, Lightray, Living Monolith, Loki (Ultimate), Lunatik, Madison Jeffries (BOX IV), Magneto (U), Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Marrina (Leviathan), Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, Ravenous, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Shadow King, Snowbird, Starhawk, Starman, Super Skrull, Stryfe, Superboy, Tempest, Thor (Ultimate), Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Wendigo, Winter, Witchfire (Normal), Zauriel

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High
Abomination, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Atom Eve, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Battalion (Jackson King), Blastaar, BOX I (Roger Bochs), Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus (U), Crystal, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian II (Heather Hudson), Havok, Hellstrike, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch (U), Invisible Woman (U), Iron-Man (U), Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Jenny Sparks, Juggernaut (Depowered), Karate Kid, Living Laser, Machine Man, Manbot, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Mercer Drake, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic (U), Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner (U), Nico Minoru, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Radioactive Man, Sand, Sasquatch, Shassa, She-Hulk, Spiral, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing (U), Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Windshear, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Adam Strange, Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blob, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Cyborg, Cyclops (U), Darkhawk, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Gorgon, Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, Karolina Dean, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, Rom, Sebastian Shaw, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Venom, Victor Mancha, Wonder Girl, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deadpool, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Man-Bat, Marrina (Normal), Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nuke, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man (U), Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Vermin, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Warpath, Wildchild, Wizard, Wolverine (U), Wulfgar, X-23

Street Level

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America (U), The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Shang Chi (Ultimate), Taskmaster, Union Jack, Nightwing, Red Hood

Middle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Black Cat, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury (U), Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat, Robin

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger

I added Zatanna to Mid herald and Atom Even to high meta.

Originally posted by Digi
But the votes are null. The same people would have to re-vote after a lot of new info comes in, and it may change or they may not be around.

I'd also rather not spam the thread with voting that counts for nothing. So post-Darkest Night you're welcome to broach the subject again. Until then, let it go.

And yes, mid was decided for Z. I'll add her sometime.

Blackest Night.

Originally posted by Digi
If this can be confirmed, it might not be a bad idea to remove him on these grounds, but not because he was voted off, which he wasn't.

I actually planed on PMing you about this but since it was brought up openly I'll just throw in my two cents here and say I vote yes on removing based on a lack of showings. I mean in his depowered state he has 3 fights total(I believe) and one of those was the fight against Galactus and most people seem to want to throw that fight out as PIS, which means most people are basing it off of his battle with Surfer and Comp. and his fight with Thanos. It would be different if we actually knew what it took to actually put him down short of the Ultimate Nullifier, but all we really know is that he's clearly above the likes of Thanos(and it's even highly arguable that Thanos was amped at the time). "More powerful than Thanos" isn't enough to solidly classify him as Trans without a "less powerful than *insert character* to give SOME kind of inkling as to the limits of his power IMO. Especially since Thanos ranks right up there at/near the top of the Trans list power-wise.

Wait a minute. Thanos is nowhere near tops of the Trans list. I call BS on that. Half that list would stomp him, if anything he's lower to mid end on the tier.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait a minute. Thanos is nowhere near tops of the Trans list. I call BS on that. Half that list would stomp him, if anything he's lower to mid end on the tier.

Matter of opinion Trick(many consider Thanos to be low end Skyfather level), but call away...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Wait a minute. Thanos is nowhere near tops of the Trans list. I call BS on that. Half that list would stomp him, if anything he's lower to mid end on the tier.

lol.Gibberish

Thanos is not the top dog of the Trans List. For example Solusandra, created a vastly powerful race known as the First, created planet (or planets), created the Sigil sign to empower mortals, and lastly took on her entire transcendent race twice….all of them minus Danik. And succeeded in wiping them out the second time, because she managed to tap into the power of two universes.