Originally posted by id369
What makes Batman so dangerous are his prep and resources at hand. With out them, he fits competitively in the high street level.Nay for Batman being moved up.
Prep?
When he's durable enough to take major explosions relatively unharmed, then his durability is well on par with/above some people in low/mid meta. Seeing as we've moved some people based solely off power output/single powers into mid/low meta (Jubilee/Gambit/Shadowcat/Dagger/Falcon) I can see Batman go in just fine. I'm also wondering what the justification for some of these characters to be above Batman is? If he can match them or almost match them in their single field, still have much more experienced, ability and so on, then why isn't he there?
It's not that he can beat most of the Low Meta in a straight up fight,. but that he can actually match or top whatever it is they're in there for doing. When Batman's overall power tops theirs, there is NO reason for him to be below them.
Jesus H Christ.
Batman for (any) meta?
Batman can't be meta you see, becuase he isn't. 😕
He's a man, just a man. The comics stress this point ALOT. He's a smart...strong...plain ordinary human man.
He's not exploding locomotives with his kicks.
He's inventing a device, that when placed on the side of the locomotive will make it de-rail and explode...thats not meta.
It's bloody clever...but it's not meta.
Going by feats alone, i think it's quite insane that Batman is being considered for this, wouldn't it make more sense to have Elektra along side the likes of Shang-Chi and Ironfist? Or Steve to be along side them.
Batman? Low meta..how can anyone even keep a straite face while saying it? I know DC fanboys think they'll get a little victory here, but there's the reputation of KMC to consider ffs.
Popular demand be damned, Mcdonalds is amongst the most popular food in the world , that doesn't cement it amongst the ranks of cullinery greatness.
Heres the logic plain and simple. Batman isn't Meta, so he can't be.
/endrant 🙁
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
lmfao. Temugin, Shang Chi, Wizard, Iron Man and Kang are all human too.
The point was, Elektra is closer to the low meta table than Bruce, he's just being furiously wanked. Iron man is a special case, personally, i wouldn't put him in the catagory he is, he'd be a floater. Shangs chi amp allows him to do thing regular human can't, no outside influence like gadgets and such. each low meta we have has a gimmick, shall we say. it;s what make s them a low meta, regardless oif how silly it is, or whether Batman can beat them.
Low meta has a description, he isnt meta human.
Originally posted by The Nuul
I guess that means Iron Man and War Machine are not High street level also. They are just two men with gadgets. Clever but not High Meta.
Like i said , special cases. I wouldnt put them in that catagory, but it's not my list. But i don't understand how anyone can put Batman in that list either.
I mean what about Batman that makes him Meta?
And as for the ironmen, and any others that are enhanced by outside influence, id have that in brackets next to there name, its a pain. But id want to see
Low Meta
Batman (ans the reason/item/gadget/enhancement in here) just so people know, he isnt really a meta, but he can compete with gear.
Originally posted by Juk3n
The point was, Elektra is closer to the low meta table than Bruce, he's just being furiously wanked. Iron man is a special case, personally, i wouldn't put him in the catagory he is, he'd be a floater. Shangs chi amp allows him to do thing regular human can't, no outside influence like gadgets and such. each low meta we have has a gimmick, shall we say. it;s what make s them a low meta, regardless oif how silly it is, or whether Batman can beat them.Low meta has a description, he isnt meta human.
I see you actually failed to make a reasonable case for Wizard, Iron Man, Kang and Temugin. Batman's dropped far more impressive characters than Shang Chi. Why is Adam Strange in Mid Meta? Let's throw Guardian and Vindicator into the discussion as well. War Machine is also pretty much a regular human being. Hank Pym, there's another one!
All people who rely on technology to do their bidding. But for some reason it's acceptable for some people to make it into the meta/herald category with technology alone, but not Batman?
Hypocrisy.
Originally posted by The Nuul
Sounds like you just don't like the fact he uses his gadgets, his skills and smarts to beat metas.Smarts is major power.
ah ha, and there it is, my point, yes he can out smart some metas, that great...that doesn;t make him a bloody meta does it? Meta can be stupid, Humans can be genius..so..how does that make Batman meta again?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I see you actually failed to make a reasonable case for Wizard, Iron Man, Kang and Temugin. Batman's dropped far more impressive characters than Shang Chi. Why is Adam Strange in Mid Meta? Let's throw Guardian and Vindicator into the discussion as well. War Machine is also pretty much a regular human being. Hank Pym, there's another one!All people who rely on technology to do their bidding. But for some reason it's acceptable for some people to make it into the meta/herald category with technology alone, but not Batman?
Hypocrisy.
Ive already adressed that i dont think the Gear enhanced cats should be in whatever particular catagory with out an explaination (it's because of the gear) yes we all know that, but it should be clarified. My stance is in the above post.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Ive already adressed that i dont think the Gear enhanced cats should be in whatever particular catagory with out an explaination (it's because of the gear) yes we all know that, but it should be clarified. My stance is in the above post.
Regardless of what you think, there are roughly 10 people above high street without any kind of superhuman powers. So that's just how it is. You do not need to have powers in order to make the meta or herald category, end of discussion. You might not think it's fair, or like it, but that's how it is.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Like i said , special cases. I wouldnt put them in that catagory, but it's not my list. But i don't understand how anyone can put Batman in that list either.I mean what about Batman that makes him Meta?
And as for the ironmen, and any others that are enhanced by outside influence, id have that in brackets next to there name, its a pain. But id want to see
Low Meta
Batman (ans the reason/item/gadget/enhancement in here) just so people know, he isnt really a meta, but he can compete with gear.
Originally posted by Juk3n
ah ha, and there it is, my point, yes he can out smart some metas, that great...that doesn;t make him a bloody meta does it? Meta can be stupid, Humans can be genius..so..how does that make Batman meta again?
Originally posted by Juk3n
Ive already adressed that i dont think the Gear enhanced cats should be in whatever particular catagory with out an explaination (it's because of the gear) yes we all know that, but it should be clarified. My stance is in the above post.
facepalm
Originally posted by The Nuul
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Despite what i think about the placements of others in the list, it comes down to what a metahuman is. There is an actual definition of this in the comicdom. Batman doesn't qualify - others don't aswell, but 1 character at a time - that should be the long and short of it. Characters are Meta when their respective universe/writers/whatever aknowledge it. As good and smart as Batman is, he has not got the body of a metahuman, it's in the genes, like a mutant/mutate. He's not enhanced mentally or physically, he's at the top of the Human food chain in the DCU, he isn't meta there, so how can he be a metahuman here?