KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by Badabing
Lulz at people saying Batman's main threat is prep. Batman has made a career by taking out metas and punks alike while thinking on his feet. People who say otherwise either have an absurd hatred for the fictional character or just don't read the comic regularly. At least 90% of his feats are sans prep. 😂

And for the record, Batman has forensic, chemical analysis and combat equipment on him at all times. He's never without the gear he needs to stay alive. 🙄

So please keep all your bias out of this thread. 😎

Awesome ownage, next time bring out the dur-chi.

Originally posted by Badabing
Lulz at people saying Batman's main threat is prep. Batman has made a career by taking out metas and punks alike while thinking on his feet. People who say otherwise either have an absurd hatred for the fictional character or just don't read the comic regularly. At least 90% of his feats are sans prep. 😂

And for the record, Batman has forensic, chemical analysis and combat equipment on him at all times. He's never without the gear he needs to stay alive. 🙄

So please keep all your bias out of this thread. 😎

The DUR is strong in this one.

Originally posted by batdude123
Since Batman [b]has those resources at hand, your argument makes no sense.

😐 [/B]

Originally posted by batdude123
I gotta question his vote as well...

His argument is basically "without his utility belt, Batman fits well in street level."

Well, I guess it's a good thing Batman always has his gadgets/utility belt on him, which puts him at low meta.

😐

I speak of the massive enterprises under his command. Not his utility belt.

Originally posted by Badabing
Lulz at people saying Batman's main threat is prep. Batman has made a career by taking out metas and punks alike while thinking on his feet. People who say otherwise either have an absurd hatred for the fictional character or just don't read the comic regularly. At least 90% of his feats are sans prep. 😂

And for the record, Batman has forensic, chemical analysis and combat equipment on him at all times. He's never without the gear he needs to stay alive. 🙄

So please keep all your bias out of this thread. 😎

2/3 of that equipment is for investigative purposes, not combat, and therefore has no bearing on this thread. As for combat equipment, I've repeatedly asked for standard equipment that puts him in low meta, and I've yet to see it. It's nothing beyond, as I stated earlier, Green Goblin level stuff, except he doesn't have a glider and Class 10 strength like Goblin.

Originally posted by Digi
2/3 of that equipment is for investigative purposes, not combat, and therefore has no bearing on this thread. As for combat equipment, I've repeatedly asked for standard equipment that puts him in low meta, and I've yet to see it. It's nothing beyond, as I stated earlier, Green Goblin level stuff, except he doesn't have a glider and Class 10 strength like Goblin.

Only Norman has zero skill, and being peak human with incredible martial arts will usually put you on par, if not above, someone with class 10 and no skill. Shang Chi doesn't have class 10 strength either, nor can his chi reach the results that bat-gear can.

Yes, Bats gadgets are not that powerful, its how he uses them in the most effective way. You don't need a cannon or some huge ass powerful weapon to beat some people in LM.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Only Norman has zero skill, and being peak human with incredible martial arts will usually put you on par, if not above, someone with class 10 and no skill. Shang Chi doesn't have class 10 strength either, nor can his chi reach the results that bat-gear can.

It was in response to those who think Batman is low meta because of his standard tech. He is not. Goblin has better standard tech, much better base physical stats, and could still be considered at the low end of low meta.

I never claimed Norman has more skill than Batman. So to call me out on such a claim is defeating only a straw man. Though I am in disagreement that skill alone would overcome such a large gap most times. In a non-prep scenario, Norman would crush Bruce.

Thats why GG is on the upper side of low meta human and Bruce is on the lower end of low meta human.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Thats why GG is mid-high meta and Bruce is low meta.

You've really just got your own thing going on, huh?

😛

Every time you post, you're saying that all kinds of rearrangements should be made. Goblin isn't mid meta. Not by a long shot. A lot of low meta would beat him. Hell, Spider-Man isn't even considered the class of low meta and he's been consistently better than GG for decades now.

Originally posted by Digi
It was in response to those who think Batman is low meta because of his standard tech. He is not. Goblin has better standard tech, much better base physical stats, and could still be considered at the low end of low meta.

I never claimed Norman has more skill than Batman. So to call me out on such a claim is defeating only a straw man. Though I am in disagreement that skill alone would overcome such a large gap most times. In a non-prep scenario, Norman would crush Bruce.

Wait wait, Goblin is low end low meta?

Because I see 3-D man, Dagger, cloak, mystique, mysterio, Nigthcrawler, Nuke, Vulture, Wizard, Doc Ock, angel, KILLER CROC, longshot and a couple of others.

And I wonder how Norman is at the low end here.

Originally posted by Digi
2/3 of that equipment is for investigative purposes, not combat, and therefore has no bearing on this thread. As for combat equipment, I've repeatedly asked for standard equipment that puts him in low meta, and I've yet to see it. It's nothing beyond, as I stated earlier, Green Goblin level stuff, except he doesn't have a glider and Class 10 strength like Goblin.

And we've repeatedly told you that he's much more than his equipment. His brains, skills, strength, endurance, durability, etc. put him over as well as his feats. The guy can block TP to a point, ignore pain, increase awareness and focus strength through techniques he's learned. ✅

But you seem unwilling to accept any of this for some reason because you either have an unrealistic opinion of what constitutes meta or simply have a hang up about a character w/o and "super" powers getting bumped. 😬

And it's not cool to change the stipulations of the OP to suit your opinion. The OP once stated this isn't about one on one match ups. facepalm

So I'm ignoring that rationale and giving you a mulligan. 😉

I'll let others continue the debate...for now. You seem to be getting upset over the debate of moving a fictional character up one level in a hypothetical tier system. Plus I have work to finish. 😂

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wait wait, Goblin is low end low meta?

Because I see 3-D man, Dagger, cloak, mystique, mysterio, Nigthcrawler, Nuke, Vulture, Wizard, Doc Ock, angel, KILLER CROC, longshot and a couple of others.

And I wonder how Norman is at the low end here.

Just go through and similarly find as many as you think would beat him for the majority. Maybe middle of the tier is more appropriate, but a cursory glance produces at least this many that would beat him consistently.

Originally posted by Badabing
And it's not cool to change the stipulations of the OP to suit your opinion. The OP once stated this isn't about one on one match ups. facepalm

So I'm ignoring that rationale and giving you a mulligan. 😉

I'll let others continue the debate...for now. You seem to be getting upset over the debate of moving a fictional character up one level in a hypothetical tier system. Plus I have work to finish. 😂

I don't get upset over this thread. Never have. Please don't try to imply a negative tone to my disagreement.

The upcoming changes have nothing to do with my opinion. Frankly, you don't even know what they're going to be, so why you would jump to this conclusion is beyond me. As it is, they're mainly to clarify a lot of issues that have been cropping up in the last few weeks.

Anyway, I explained earlier with the GG argument when I used it for the first time, my point wasn't to set them up 1-on-1, but to show you that an average member of the low meta group could easily be shown to be well above Batman. I'm aware of my own rules.

As it is, there's a healthy majority for bats. He's getting moved, barring something catastrophic. Doesn't mean I can't voice my dissent, however.

Originally posted by Digi
Just go through and similarly find as many as you think would beat him for the majority. Maybe middle of the tier is more appropriate, but a cursory glance produces at least this many that would beat him consistently.

Then I guess we disagree.

Hence why you voted against, and I voted for 😎

Originally posted by Digi
You've really just got your own thing going on, huh?

😛

Every time you post, you're saying that all kinds of rearrangements should be made. Goblin isn't mid meta. Not by a long shot. A lot of low meta would beat him. Hell, Spider-Man isn't even considered the class of low meta and he's been consistently better than GG for decades now.

I ain't talking about GG in this level...facepalm

Middle
Adam Strange, Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blob, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Carnage, Cloak, Corrin, Cyborg, Cyclops (U), Darkhawk, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Farenheit, Flint, Fuji, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Gorgon, Grace Choi, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, Jubilee, Karolina Dean, Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, Matua, M.O.D.O.K., Molly Hayes, Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Ogun, Omega Red, Quicksilver (classic), Ragman, Rogue, Rom, Sebastian Shaw, Shadowcat, Shift, Speedball, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Venom, Victor Mancha, Wonder Girl, Yellowjacket (Hank Pym)

Originally posted by The Nuul
I ain't talking about GG in this level...facepalm

Then what are you talking about? You said he belonged in mid or high.

{edit} I see you changed the original post to make more sense. Misunderstanding cleared up.

For: leo, batdude123, Creshosk, Battlehammer, Kris Blaze, Nuul, Ha Son, Blanket, Prof. Wagstaff, Badabing, Philosophia, Pr, xJLxKing, Nihilist, iceman24567, -K-M-, ~The Wickerman~, Blair Wind

Against: Rage.Of.Olympus, SuperiorTech, Enyalus, Original Smurph, Digi, Newjak, Endless Mike, Harbinger, KuRuPT Thanosi, id369 , jalek moye, Slaanesh, starlock, Juk3n

18 for, 14 against

Digi undertsands me now.

Originally posted by Badabing
Lulz at people saying Batman's main threat is prep. Batman has made a career by taking out metas and punks alike while thinking on his feet. People who say otherwise either have an absurd hatred for the fictional character or just don't read the comic regularly. At least 90% of his feats are sans prep. 😂

Batman doesn't represent a greater threat to low metas than many of his companions in high street.

Originally posted by Badabing
And for the record, Batman has forensic, chemical analysis and combat equipment on him at all times. He's never without the gear he needs to stay alive. 🙄

If Batman gets moved, the ranking of Black Panther, Captain America, Elektra, Nightwing etc. all comes into question. Just saying.....