KMC Comic Book Tiers

Started by Original Smurph485 pages

Originally posted by Badabing
And we've repeatedly told you that he's much more than his equipment. His brains, skills, strength, endurance, durability, etc. put him over as well as his feats. The guy can block TP to a point, ignore pain, increase awareness and focus strength through techniques he's learned. ✅
lolwut? He's currently placed in a tier with people who regularly bat bullets away.

Elektra's skills allow her to control other peoples minds.
Captain America's his equal in all those categories save brains, but still his equal in combat tactics.
T'Challa can match him in each of those categories, and has equal or superior equipment.
Constantine Drakon's skills allow him to laugh off the entire Green Arrow family attacking him.
Bullseye can kill a woman from across the street through two windows by flicking a toothpick.

There's absolutely no reason that anything that you mentioned should be above the others in Low Street. Furthermore, many of their extraordinary abilities or equipment allow them to match his, or come within an incredibly small margin above or below his power level.

There is no reason he should be above any of the people he is with. We bump Batman, we bump half of his tier.

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It seems that people's central reasoning is that Batman can match certain people in the low meta tier. Batman, however, seems to be near the top in high street, but not a standout guy- most of these points could be made with Black Panther, Elektra, Cap or others. Therefore, the power discrepancy seems to not be with Batman in high street, but rather with some of the weaker individuals in low meta.

Seems to me that it would make more sense to bump people down rather than up.

Guys, I was only messing with Digi with my remarks. He mods this forum and that should be remembered. I forget to post a dur or a biscuits sometimes while I'm at the office and my posts can be taken the wrong way.

I apologize if this hampered the debate or gave anyone the wrong idea. I wasn't going at Digi because I mod another forum and thought I could get away with it.

But don't forget that I'm very strong with the Dur. sneer

Originally posted by Original Smurph
lolwut? He's currently placed in a tier with people who regularly bat bullets away.
Batman doesn't need to worry about bullets. He can sidestep them. uhuh

biscuits

Originally posted by Digi
When pressed, you showed me something that melt snow and an exploding batarang. Hardly all of his prep resources. You're vastly overestimating what Batman has on him at all times.

baka

You mean this exploding batarang?

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5485/batarang1.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5996/batarang2.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2593/batarang3.jpg

And it was an avalanche of snow and tons of rock.

You're right. I'm totally overestimating Batman what Bats has on him. facepalm

Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Digi
Cut the spam with the off-topic pics and videos. Like any other spam, they will be edited and will warrant a warning if it becomes a repeated offense.

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Originally posted by id369
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18 for, 14 against

No.

It's more like this...

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20 for, 13 against

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If Batman gets moved, the ranking of Black Panther, Captain America, Elektra, Nightwing etc. all comes into question. Just saying.....

Not really.

There's nothing wrong with Elektra moving into low meta though. She DOES have some superhuman powers, and while it's not really a great argument to keep people out of low meta, it's certainly a reasonable argument to get them in it. It seems that anyone with powers, no matter how shitty they are, make it into low meta. Like Dagger and 3D man.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Not really.

There's nothing wrong with Elektra moving into low meta though. She DOES have some superhuman powers, and while it's not really a great argument to keep people out of low meta, it's certainly a reasonable argument to get them in it. It seems that anyone with powers, no matter how shitty they are, make it into low meta. Like Dagger and 3D man.

This.

Out of everybody brought up, Elektra would be the only one I see going up with Batman to low meta.

If Bats gets moved then I can see BP, Cap, DD and Elektra being considered. Maybe a tier between high street and low meta?

Originally posted by Badabing
If Bats gets moved then I can see BP, Cap, DD and Elektra being considered. Maybe a tier between high street and low meta?

No, ya freakin guinea. uhuh

Originally posted by Badabing
If Bats gets moved then I can see BP, Cap, DD and Elektra being considered. Maybe a tier between high street and low meta?

I agree. It means too much moving for people who are benchmarks and should stay that way.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
lolwut? He's currently placed in a tier with people who regularly bat bullets away.

Elektra's skills allow her to control other peoples minds.
Captain America's his equal in all those categories save brains, but still his equal in combat tactics.
T'Challa can match him in each of those categories, and has equal or superior equipment.
Constantine Drakon's skills allow him to laugh off the entire Green Arrow family attacking him.
Bullseye can kill a woman from across the street through two windows by flicking a toothpick.

There's absolutely no reason that anything that you mentioned should be above the others in Low Street. Furthermore, many of their extraordinary abilities or equipment allow them to match his, or come within an incredibly small margin above or below his power level.

There is no reason he should be above any of the people he is with. We bump Batman, we bump half of his tier.

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It seems that people's central reasoning is that Batman can match certain people in the low meta tier. Batman, however, seems to be near the top in high street, but not a standout guy- most of these points could be made with Black Panther, Elektra, Cap or others. Therefore, the power discrepancy seems to not be with Batman in high street, but rather with some of the weaker individuals in low meta.

Seems to me that it would make more sense to bump people down rather than up.

Agree Totally 👆

Originally posted by batdude123
This.

Out of everybody brought up, Elektra would be the only one I see going up with Batman to low meta.


Cap can pretty much match Batman feat for feat(arguably with some left over) and while he doesn't have the versatility of Batman's utility belt the offensive capabilities of his shield are WAAAY up there and grants him the same effectiveness against meta's that Bat has via gadgets. Bat's can take down meta's with gas or an exploding batarang, Cap can do the same with an effective shield bash/throw. If anything Cap would make the more sensible choice to move to the meta tier since he can do things like run nearly 60 MPH for extended stretches that are beyond the capabilities of even "peak humans".

That's not to say that Bat's doesn't deserve the bump(which is why I'm not voting against it), but if he gets it Cap definitely warrants a bump too.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap can pretty much match Batman feat for feat(arguably with some left over) and while he doesn't have the versatility of Batman's utility belt the offensive capabilities of his shield are WAAAY up there and grants him the same effectiveness against meta's that Bat has via gadgets. Bat's can take down meta's with gas or an exploding batarang, Cap can do the same with an effective shield bash/throw. If anything Cap would make the more sensible choice to move to the meta tier since he can do things like run nearly 60 MPH for extended stretches that are beyond the capabilities of even "peak humans".

That's not to say that Bat's doesn't deserve the bump(which is why I'm not voting against it), but if he gets it Cap definitely warrants a bump too.

Problem is.

Shield is concussive force, end of story. MAYBE he can do some cutting, but that's never really been an option. It's just so simple. Batman gas, shock, explosive, etc etc etc just seem much more versatile and overall better.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Problem is.

Shield is concussive force, end of story. MAYBE he can do some cutting, but that's never really been an option. It's just so simple. Batman gas, shock, explosive, etc etc etc just seem much more versatile and overall better.


If Cap can cause as much damage using primarily concussive force as Bat's can using the proper tool for the job then the two are still pretty much equal. In fact, if he can use his shield to KO someone that Bat's would have to use gas to take down it indicates a higher level of raw power, which is a better reason for placement on the tiers than versatility IMO.

Originally posted by darthgoober
If Cap can cause as much damage using primarily concussive force as Bat's can using the proper tool for the job then the two are still pretty much equal. In fact, if he can use his shield to KO someone that Bat's would have to use gas to take down it indicates a higher level of raw power, which is a better reason for placement on the tiers than versatility IMO.

Only, when Cap is fighting Clayface or like Sandman, he's ****ed. Where as Bats can get around it.

Knock this guy out:
Batman: Gasses the guy, the guy passes out.
Captain America: Smacks the guy knocking him out.

Get through this door:
Bats: pulls out a mini acetiline torch and burns through the lock.
Cap: Smashes his way through the door with multiple hits.

Get the truth from this guy:
Bats: Administers a truth serum. The guy sings like a canary.
Cap: Stands there for a second. and looks at batman. Who watches cap with a blank look on his face, Captain Amerca then smacks the guy, knocking him out.

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Captain America get a mulligan. This time Captain America uses his shield to crush the guy's foot when he doesn't respond. The guy eventually talks.

Defeat clayface/Sandman:
Bats: Uses a chemical agent to solidify the silicon based bad guy (And I'm not talking about Paris or Brittney.)
Cap: Looks at the bad guy, then looks at Batman, then at the bad guys again. Then he says "ah f@*# this." Slings his sheild over his shoulder and walks away.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Only, when Cap is fighting Clayface or like Sandman, he's ****ed. Where as Bats can get around it.

And if Bat's was fighting someone like X-Ray from the U-foes or Klaw he'd probably be f*cked, while Cap could take either down with his shield.

Originally posted by batdude123
baka

You mean this exploding batarang?

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5485/batarang1.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5996/batarang2.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2593/batarang3.jpg

And it was an avalanche of snow and tons of rock.

You're right. I'm totally overestimating Batman what Bats has on him. facepalm

Ridiculous.

We've discussed that feat, so you know how I feel. If the batarang was indeed more powerful than the combined energy blasts of the rest of the league, we have two logical options: 1. it wasn't a standard issue batarang, or 2. it was ungodly PIS. Because the only other option is that an exploding batarang is > about 4 combined herald level attacks. And we know that's false.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Not really.

There's nothing wrong with Elektra moving into low meta though. She DOES have some superhuman powers, and while it's not really a great argument to keep people out of low meta, it's certainly a reasonable argument to get them in it. It seems that anyone with powers, no matter how shitty they are, make it into low meta. Like Dagger and 3D man.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Therefore, the power discrepancy seems to not be with Batman in high street, but rather with some of the weaker individuals in low meta.

Seems to me that it would make more sense to bump people down rather than up.

Originally posted by Digi
We've discussed that feat, so you know how I feel. If the batarang was indeed more powerful than the combined energy blasts of the rest of the league, we have two logical options: 1. it wasn't a standard issue batarang, or 2. it was ungodly PIS. Because the only other option is that an exploding batarang is > about 4 combined herald level attacks. And we know that's false.

🙂