KMC Comic Book Tiers

I blocked out the Hood completely out of memory. Can somebody refresh me on his feats?

Does U Reed get any standard equip? Forcefield? In essence, I agree for HM.

John is pretty impossible to rank, he could take anybody, basically, if they don't manage to take him first. I see Zatanna's not on the list either, for a reference to "hax magic with weak physical".

Raping Tigra while Jigsaw was recording it.

Resurrecting Castle's family in front of him.

Banging Count Nefaria's daughter.

the hood has recently featured in invincible ironman and went toe-to-toe with doom. his magic varies from herald level when possessed to non-possessed meta. but even when he isn't possessed his bullets are pretty damn uber. he has some pretty solid showings overall.

The Maker - high meta
Hood - high meta

If we choose to add the magic characters they'd work a lot like high end telepaths turning a lot of MUs in quick draws. Probably always one tier above their telepath equivalents since they have superior versatility. So someone like Zatanna might actually end up at trans.

zatanna should be hh at least. i don't think she has the history of consistently huge feats to suggest trans. but yeah, characters like this are very tough since the riddler could kill her if she were unprepared....

and yeah, maker to hm works i think, depending on his 'standard' gear. could be higher based on what we give him at the start of a match.

ka-zar? ms? hs?

did we settle on a place for conan?

*Added Ult. Reed and The Hood to HM.

So is the consensus to go ahead and keep magic users like Zatanna and Constantine off the list? I only ask because we did include the likes of Nabu and Strange. /shrug

As for Ka-Zar and Conan: MS sounds good to me.

Magic users are kind of their own thing.

I don't know. I guess we could put them at high herald.

I see Enchantress is at low herald, too. Do we consider it as June-limited Enchantress or the actual enchantress [who is above Zatanna/maybe off the list entirely].

*Added Constantine and Zatanna to HH for now. I feel like that's a fair starting point.

As for Enchantress, I would definitely rank her with a host(ie. June) in mind.

Maybe make a seperate tier for magic?

I think we can generally come up with reasonable placements for certain magic users based on an average of their feats. Again, this is where the 'forum setting' rationale plays heavily. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
*Added Constantine and Zatanna to HH for now. I feel like that's a fair starting point.

As for Enchantress, I would definitely rank her with a host(ie. June) in mind.

Poison Ivy? Hard one [iykwim..]
Sandman? mid-meta? high meta?

Okay, so here are all the characters that have been proposed so far this go-around:

Ka-Zar
Conan
Enchantress
Poison Ivy
Sandman

Question about Ivy: can she actually create plantlife and such ex nihilo, or does she at least carry something on her person(call it standard equipment) that would allow her to do so? I only ask because if she can't generate plantlife then it seems like she'd be pretty limited in a forum setting(ie. completely featureless environment.)

yeah i'm not up on ivy's most recent showings either. is she still swamp-thing-lite? enchantress is tough too. in general i'd say hm/lh should work.

marvel's sandman, yes? can't believe he wasn't on the list. i'd say hm for him. he's a tough bugger to put down.

Kazaar and Conan mid-street.
Sandman high meta.

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Crimson Dynamo for mid meta.
Darkstar for mid meta.
Ursa Major for low meta

... Is... Wolverine not on the list?

Don't think so.

So yeah, lets get these sorted out before we move on...

Ka-Zar
Conan
Enchantress
Poison Ivy
Sandman
Crimson Dynamo
Darkstar
Ursa Major
Wolverine

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, so here are all the characters that have been proposed so far this go-around:

Question about Ivy: can she actually create plantlife and such ex nihilo, or does she at least carry something on her person(call it standard equipment) that would allow her to do so? I only ask because if she can't generate plantlife then it seems like she'd be pretty limited in a forum setting(ie. completely featureless environment.)

She has plants on herself, but it's obviously limiting. Not that it's a problem, since they can be grown from herself or from underground [https://imgur.com/a/WAU1W9f]

But I assumed there'd be a 'generic' environment with different elements.

She can exert all sorts of poisons from her body, has the mind-control pheromones, all sorts of chemicals [truth serums, ko gas] and also do stuff like this:
https://imgur.com/a/RNZAgkB

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I'm quite sure I saw Wolverine at low meta, so I'm surprised he's not there. I even used him as an example in one of the earlier street talks because I saw him there, and said he shouldn't be used as a benchmark due to being so specialized in his abilities to beat bricks yet fight street levelers...wtf

Enchantress is at least low herald, imo. Even assuming it's not 100% the Witch, functionally she can still casually beat small-scale reality warping demons, magic shields that can stand against Killer Frost, Superman, has TK, has teleportation, has resisted Max Lord's TP etc. She's a bit of a glass canon, but then again...mages. Then we have the witch, who solo'd the JLA, overpowered Zatanna, all from inside a magical black hole envelope.

Do we really want to rank Sandman above Classic Nova, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Cyclops, Clayface, Electro, Elijah Snow etc?

I'm against him at high-meta. mid meta, imo.

I'll give my thoughts on the rest in a bit.

classic nova was only a class 10 dude who could fly pretty fast... he's about the definition on mid meta imo.

jaime should be hm imo. i'd take sandy over most of those you mentioned. elijah MIGHT be able to freeze him depending on what form he took. force beams like booster and cyke won't do anything to him plus he's as strong as grim. take grim's strength THEN add sandy's versatility and it's hard NOT to place him in high meta. shrug

i agree with each of bentleys suggested placings. 👆

Originally posted by Bentley
Kazaar and Conan mid-street.
Sandman high meta.

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Crimson Dynamo for mid meta.
Darkstar for mid meta.
Ursa Major for low meta

... Is... Wolverine not on the list?

Not on the first page, but iirc he was always listed as a low meta on KMC... same as X-23.

There were some updated lists, like in Pr's thread.

So is everyone in agreement with these?:

Ka-Zar- MS
Conan- MS
Enchantress- LH
Crimson Dynamo- MM
Darkstar- MM
Ursa Major- LM
Wolverine- LM

*I'll wait and see if more of a consensus can be reached regarding Sandman. I'll defer on him due to lack of knowledge.

Originally posted by Phil
Hm. What's the starting battlefield? As in, what does it look like, cement all around? I assumed it's a 'normal' city/village/forrest etc. just empty.

Personally, I had always thought of the default 'featureless environment' as, essentially, an empty void that doesn't have any inherent internal or external qualities that can be tampered with -- basically an environment that cannot be exploited to give any one character the advantage(similar to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in DBZ, I guess... Just a blank slate.)

Maybe that's just me, though? Hadn't really given it much thought until now. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
So is everyone in agreement with these?:

Ka-Zar- MS
Conan- MS
Enchantress- LH
Crimson Dynamo- MM
Darkstar- MM
Ursa Major- LM
Wolverine- LM

*I'll wait and see if more of a consensus can be reached regarding Sandman. I'll defer on him due to lack of knowledge.

Ka-Zar, Conan - okay.

Enchantress, Dynamo - against.

Darkstar - don't know, tbh.

Ursus - he's terribly one-dimensional. If characters like Bane (even after all of his beastly showings in recent years) or Cap can't be LM, then Ursa Major shouldn't be, either.

Wolverine - Nick Fury considers him to be more powerful overall than Spider-Man or Luke Cage. And they're both MM 😖hifty: Just saying.