KMC Comic Book Tiers

Originally posted by King Kandy
My point with Warlock is that Thanos is afraid of him... and Magus>Warlock in all categories.

If you get hit twice, knocked on your ass and give up the fight, I'd say you lost.

The weird thing is, I don't remember Thanos giving up...
I remember one panel of him smart mouthing Magus, right after he got knocked into rocks, and then the next, Magus went transparent.

The fight was hardly over.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I bet Magus would be scared of Plotlock as well.
It's hardly a comparison... at all.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
The weird thing is, I don't remember Thanos giving up...
I remember one panel of him smart mouthing Magus, right after he got knocked into rocks, and then the next, Magus went transparent.

The fight was hardly over.

Originally posted by King Kandy
WTF is "Plotlock"?

Then why didn't thanos get back up? Bad hip?

Or because he knew the fight was already over, since he predicted Magus's demise perfectly?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
OK then.

Eh?
Did he admit he was scared here, or that his power was less?

Then the end of the fight.


Plus, I hardly call this, as even close to Thanos losing...

Looking at these scans I would say that Thanos could have got up and continued the battle but knew he didn't need to cause Magus was already beaten.

I agree with Jebus, it hardly says to me that Thanos was out of the fight, he just knew he didn't need to continue fighting.

I guess its all in the interpretation.

Hey guys? Magus is already in the Sub-Skyfather category. What's the controversy about?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hey guys? Magus is already in the Sub-Skyfather category. What's the controversy about?

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Plotlock is the one that killed Thanos. The only one to my knowledge, that Thanos showed any fear of.

Or because he knew the fight was already over, since he predicted Magus's demise perfectly?

Well we know that Thanos would have gotten personal satisfaction from crushing the Magus himself... If he didn't, it must be because he couldn't.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think he's above Sub-Skyfather.

At or above Odin!? Oh. Well then, I can see where you'd have some detractors.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Drax killed Thanos... Or did you mean Warlock? Who's Plotlock?

Well we know that Thanos would have gotten personal satisfaction from crushing the Magus himself... If he didn't, it must be because he couldn't.

Don't quote me on this but I think he means plot device +Warlock = Plotlock.

As in Warlock is a living plot device.

Thats what I THINK he was getting at, although I could be way off!

Plotlock. lol

Best name ever.

How many votes did we need for Warpath to be moved up?

Originally posted by llagrok
How many votes did we need for Warpath to be moved up?

Quote the list on page 1 and add him in. Then if there's opposition, we can discuss it. Otherwise, discussion and voting doesn't really need to happen for everyone....just those where there's some argument. But if you feel confident about making the switch, I trust you, and I'm sure most others do too.

The List

Sub-Skyfather (Transcendent)

Amazo, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Herald

High
Adam Warlock, Baron Zemo (w/ Moonstones), Cyborg Superman, The Eradicator (Fortress Mode), Genis-Vell, Green Lantern (Hal, Kyle, Alan), Infinity-Man, Majestic, Moonstone (w/ both stones), The Sentry, The Silver Surfer, Sinestro, Spartan 3.0, Stardust, Superman (B/R and AS), Thor, The Void

Middle
Alexander Nero, Beta Ray Bill, Binary, Black Adam, Black Bolt, Cable (Full Power), Captain Atom, Cpt. Comet,Captain Marvel (DC), Damien Hellstrom, Doomsday, The Fallen One, Firelord, The Flash III (Wally West), The Flash IV (Bart Allen), General Zod, Gladiator, Green Lantern (Guy, John, Katma, Kilowog), Hyperion, Ikaris, Imperiex Probes, Kid Omega, Magus (Post-IG), Martian Manhunter, Maxima, Mon-El, Morg, Nate Grey, Orion, Quasar, Rachel Summers (Phoenix II), Red Shift, Skreet, Supergirl, Supreme, Swamp Thing, Terrax the Tamer, Void, Waverider, Wildfire, Wonder Woman

Low
Absorbing Man, Air Walker, Animal Man, Apocalypse, Apollo, Argent, The Atom, Aztek, Bizarro Superman, Breach, Cassandra Nova, Cir-El, Count Nefaria, Damage, Darkness, Darwin, Death's Head 3.0, Death Metal, Dr. Doom, Dr. Invincible, Dr. Light, Dr. Polaris, Drax The Destroyer, Engineer, Etrigan, Exodus, Fin Fang Foom, Firestorm, The Flash II (Barry Allen), Gamora (w/Godslayer), Gilgamesh, Gorilla Grodd, Graviton, Green Lantern (Soranik Natu), He-Man, Hector Hammond, Hulk, Iceman, Isis, Jade, Jack Hawksmoor (in city), Jack of Hearts, Jenny Sparks, Jericho, Juggernaut (Classic), Kalibak, Lightray, Living Monolith, Lobo, Loki, Lunatik, Magneto, Major Force, Makkari, Man-Beast, Manchester Black, Mar-Vell, Matrix Supergirl, Meggan, Mongul, Monica Rambeau (Pulsar), Mr. M, Nova (Frankie Raye), Nova Richard Rider (current), Plastic Man, Prime, Professor X, Raven, The Ray, Red Tornado, Ronan the Accuser, Saturn Girl, Selene (External), Sersi, Shadow King, Shaman, Starhawk, Super Skrull, Superboy, Tempest, Ultra Boy, Ultra-Humanite, Ultron, Union, Vulcan, Winter, Zauriel

Metahuman (Mid-tier "Iron Man" level)

High
Abomination, Adam Strange, Aquaman, Ares (Marvel), Atlas, Aurora, Batman 1 Million, Blastaar, Blob, Captain Britain, Captain Marvel Jr, Colossus, Death's Head II, Donna Troy, Emma Frost, Ghost Rider II, Grim Reaper, Guardian I, Hercules (Mortal), Holocaust, The Human Torch, Invisible Woman, Iron-Man, Jean Grey (sans Phoenix), Juggernaut (Depowered), Kang, Karate Kid, Living Laser, Mandarin, Mary Marvel, Maul, Metallo, Mimic (Exiles), Miss Martian, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Sinister, Namor the Sub-Mariner, Nightshade, Nimrod, Northstar, Ocean Master, Osiris, Pitt, Polaris, Power Girl, Psylocke, Sand, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Starfire, Storm, Supernova, Temugin, The Thing, Thunderstrike, The Tick, Ulik, Ultimo, Vision, War Machine, Wonder Man, Zzaxx

Middle
Aegis, Atom Smasher, Attuma, Balder, Beast Boy, Bishop, Blink, Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes), Blue Devil, Bombshell, Booster Gold, Box, Carnage, Cloak, Crystal, Cyborg, Cyclops, Death's Head, Death Wreck, Dust, Electro, Elijah Snow, Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze), Ghost Rider(Dan Ketch), Grace Choi, Havok, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Hellion, The Flash I (Jay Garrick), Kymaera/Namorita, Lightning Lad, M.O.D.O.K., Moonstone, Morlun, Ms. Marvel, Nico Minoru, Ogun, Quicksilver (classic), Radioactive Man, Ragman, Rogue, rom, Shadowcat, Shift, Steel, Terra, Thunder, Tiger Shark, Toxin, Vance Astro, Vengeance, Warpath, Wonder Girl, Enchantress

Low
3-D Man, Ambrose Chase, Angel, Arachne, Arana, Azrael, Beast, Black Canary, Black Tarantula, Blade, Blue Beetle (Dan Garrett), Bruenor Battlehammer, Century, Charcoal, Charlie 27, Constrictor, Creeper, Cyber, Dagger, Deathlok, Deathstroke the Terminator, Doc Ock, Drizzt Do'Urden, Elixer, Falcon, Firehawk, Gambit, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Iron Fist, Jakita Wagner, Karnak, Kid Devil, Killer Croc, Klaw, Lady Deathstrike, Longshot, Luke Cage, Machine Man, Man-Bat, Mercury, Midnighter, Mister Hyde, Molly Hayes, Multiple Man, Mysterio, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Nova Richard Rider (classic), Nuke, Omega Red, Orka Humbug, Prometheus, Protocide, Puck, Puma, Rage, Sabretooth, Shang Chi, Silver Samurai, Speedball, Speedfreek, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2099, Spider-Woman, Swift, Thunder Cats, Tombstone, Triathalon, Vance Astro, Vanguard, Venom, Vermin, Victor Mancha, Vulture, Warlock (Technarchy/Phalanx), Wizard, Wolverine, Wulfgar

Street Level

High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Cat, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America, The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23

Middle
Red Hood , Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury, Nightwing, Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat

Low
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Robin, Talia, White Tiger [/QUOTE]

How the hell is Ion sub-skyfather? He's stronger then Parallax.

He probably means the newer Ion.

Are you going to add the Crossgen Negation characters I suggested?

I would suggest:

Low street level: Obregon Kaine
Mid Meta level: Matua, Corrin
High Meta level: Shassa, Mercer Drake
Low Herald level: Gammid
Mid Herald Level: Evinlea
High Herald level: Qztr
Transcendent level: Solusandra, Appolyon

Originally posted by King Kandy
Drax killed Thanos... Or did you mean Warlock? Who's Plotlock?

Well we know that Thanos would have gotten personal satisfaction from crushing the Magus himself... If he didn't, it must be because he couldn't.

Considering even if he did, he would have about .5 seconds to crush Magus...
I don't think you can crush someone as powerful as Magus was in .5 seconds...
Or one panel...

Plus, the Magus fight, and Plotlock scaring Thanos, are Pre-Hat Thanos.
It hardly makes anyone a skyfather if they beat Pre-Hat Thanos, although it is a tasty tidbit.

Pre-Ressurection Thanos was nothing to scoff at.

Originally posted by King Kandy
How the hell is Ion sub-skyfather? He's stronger then Parallax.

It does say current, so I dunno if that helps.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Are you going to add the Crossgen Negation characters I suggested?

I would suggest:

Low street level: Obregon Kaine
Mid Meta level: Matua, Corrin
High Meta level: Shassa, Mercer Drake
Low Herald level: Gammid
Mid Herald Level: Evinlea
High Herald level: Qztr
Transcendent level: Solusandra, Appolyon

I don't think anyone else has really expressed an opinion, so as long as you're confident about those and can say it's relatively free of bias, go ahead and add them in.

👆

Also, make sure those last two are actually Transcendant...if they're like Odin level or greater, they don't even belong on the list.

They're not Odin level or greater, I didn't include Charon and Danik because they would be too powerful for the list though.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
They're not Odin level or greater, I didn't include Charon and Danik because they would be too powerful for the list though.

OK, cool

And a good measuring stick is, say, some high-end Surfer feats. If they are >> that, they're definitely Sub Skyfather, since he's a good measuring stick for High Herald. I'm just trying to help out if there's any doubt, since I know it can be hard when dealing with different universes and companies.

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Unrelated...
...my Authority-appearences search is spanning a large chunk of the Wildstorm universe. A lot of obscure additions from teams like Stormwatch and The Monarchy will be getting added eventually (once I've compiled everything).