http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/12/who_gives_to_charity.html
And just for kicks, this is for people who say that Americans only care about themselves.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/12/who_gives_to_charity.html
And just for kicks, this is for people who say that Americans only care about themselves.
And how is any of this relevant for the topic?
A lot of the world hates America, in the country's that don't hate America there will be a lot of people that simply don't like the US. Especially with your current president. People don't look at individual Americans just at a group and the group they see isn't all that positive.
That does not mean that the US should just forget about 9/11 however. Ignore it or whatever, fact remains that 3000+ died in an attack on their country. Nobody should ever forget that. Doesn't mean they or specifically Bush should just use it as an excuse for every action he takes. But it's certainly not something people should just forget about.
Originally posted by Kinneary
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/12/who_gives_to_charity.html
lol @ john stossel.
sure, ill just trust that guy for objective journalism[/sarcasm]
Originally posted by lord xyz
Yeah the country that raped almost half of Asia, half of Europe, the Natives and latinos of North and South America, African slaves, who do it for money but when they get attacked themself, they go all nucleur and bomb cities for no reason? Yeah, no one's ever gonna wanna attack that country are they?
Seeing as how I had nothing to do with that, I'd like to not be put in that box. Not my legacy.
That's like saying all white Americans should take responsibility for slavery today 🤣
If everything worked that way, no one would ever drop anything.
Bad, bad logic.
Originally posted by Schecter
but you have to understand that saying that to an american is completely insulting. reminds me of the age old "compliment" to black people: "oh, your so clean and well spoken, not like most other black people. you're one of the good ones".
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a lot of Americans are good natured people, just like a lot of any nation. What I am saying is that some Americans do need to broaden their cultural horizons, as these people are basing the 'war on terror' only on what has happened to their country.
You have deliberately ignored my post about the bombings in other countries which have been brushed aside.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a lot of Americans are good natured people, just like a lot of any nation. What I am saying is that some Americans do need to broaden their cultural horizons, as these people are basing the 'war on terror' only on what has happened to their country.
You have deliberately ignored my post about the bombings in other countries which have been brushed aside.
I AGREE that its wrong to trivialise the tragedies of other nations. however the universal reaction to this seems to be to trivialise the 9/11 tragedy in turn. so the ignorance seems to breed more ignorance.
though the words of you and others are well-meant, they are not well taken. thats what im saying. you seem to be assuming that im exclusively referring to you. i find it completely obtuse for anyone to act like this problem isnt a plague among people in other nations who say things like "americans are ignorant, etc". the fact that you dont feel this way may validate yourself, but thats not really what we're discussing, is it?
Re: 9/11
Originally posted by The big EH
and think i'm a total *******, which i'm not i actually know someone who's dad had to clean up the towers, and that brought him to retiring.
Oh, the father's brother's nephew's former roomate reasoning.
Originally posted by The big EH
United 93 is a completly awful movie, trying to make a uge 2 and a half hour movie that lasted less time than that was crappy
This guy lost all credibility at this point. The movie is 1 hour, 51 minutes long and in real time. It started at 8:14, I believe, and ended at 10:03 on Sept 11, 2001. The point he was trying to make about it being over sappy and too long was contradicted by...himself. Sad.
And say what you want about United 93's political whatever...the direction of Paul Greengrass in the last 2 minutes of the film is top-notch.
Originally posted by Schecter
I AGREE that its wrong to trivialise the tragedies of other nations. however the universal reaction to this seems to be to trivialise the 9/11 tragedy in turn. so the ignorance seems to breed more ignorance.though the words of you and others are well-meant, they are not well taken. thats what im saying. you seem to be assuming that im exclusively referring to you. i find it completely obtuse for anyone to act like this problem isnt a plague among people in other nations who say things like "americans are ignorant, etc". the fact that you dont feel this way may validate yourself, but thats not really what we're discussing, is it?
No your right it isn't what we're discussing. I essentially do agree with you, I believe that people who say all Americans are ignorant are just as racist as someone who says that all people of Islamic faith are terrorists.
To be back on topic I don't think that any tragedy to the scale of 9/11 should be forgotten. However, it should never be used as an excuse to promote racial or religious hatred, that's sinking to the people behind 9/11's level.
Originally posted by Schecter
im not trying to offend you or put you in a defensive stance, but that's a really stupid thing to say. everything is relative and to imply that it wasnt "actual devestation"....maybe you just worded it wrong and didnt mean to suggest that?
Man there is noone in america alive right now Xcept 4 a few soldiers who have seen real war. Compare that 2 Europe.
Re: 9/11
Originally posted by The big EHAmerica got over WWI when they won. They got over Pearl Harbor and WWII when they won the war.
in about 1 minute all of the americans on this website is going to hate me, and think i'm a total *******, which i'm not i actually know someone who's dad had to clean up the towers, and that brought him to retiring.9/11
i know it was a terrible thing that happenned to america, the people died and everything, but america really needs to move on and accept it as past history like they did with Pearl Harbor, WW2, and WW1, all very horridable times, all milatary movements, and i think like PH, 9/11 was a milatary movement aswell, or just an act the government put up to use fear to help rule. anyway it is pretty much the only foriegn attack on america besides PH, and it's such a huge deal, it's like a city was taken out. in 6 years there as been 3 movies, almost as if somebody doesn't want anybody toforget those horridable moments, while PH has only had 2 or 3 movies in over 50 years. so what i wanna know why is 9/11 such a huge deal, so many things go on in europe everyday, you don't see them complaining and making movies about everysingle attack. and really casting nick cage in 9/11 is just awful he's a crapptacular actor, he prettymuch ruined skullrider (that and the storyline was extremely simple) and United 93 is a completly awful movie, trying to make a uge 2 and a half hour movie that lasted less time than that was crappy
America has yet to win anything against those who apparently committed 9/11. Almost everyone who was old enough to remember 9/11 is still alive, it hasn't been decades, it's been half of one.
The movies are an excellent marketing ploy to make money. Little else.
9/11 was the first in a new type of tragic world events. The London and Madrid bombings pale in comparison to magnitude, since 9/11 was more destructive and on soil many thought untouchable. It was bigger, and it was first. America's made of emotion, of all types, telling them to get over it in just six years, while two wars that were spawned by the event still "rage" on, is foolhardy at best.
Re: 9/11
Originally posted by The big EH
9/11
9/11 was a terrible day. No one is arguing that. But, the hard part to swallow is just how hard it has remained in our memory. It's often called a day that changed everything. That simply is not true. It changed a lot, but it changed not one damn thing that really matters. President Bush told us to go out and shop, to maintain our way of life. Well, if you want to talk about a squandered opprotunity, one need look no further. We were told to go shopping, keep travelling, go to work, eat fast food, etc. The citizens of this country were willing to do damn near anything in the months after 9/11, and we didn't do anything. We weren't asked to do a damn thing.
Pearle Harbor was 1000X more influential than 9/11 will ever be. In the days, weeks and months that followed the bombings, Americans were asked to change their lives, pool their resources, help each other adjust.
I think it's a crime for this administration, for this government, to treat it like so much political propoganda. It changed everything when it needs to have changed everything. It changed everything when you go to pack for a plane ride, but that's just so much window dressing to give the illusion of safety and compotency. Otherwise, 9/11 only changed our spending habits. Now, we go to movies about that day and we buy collectors coins that commemorate it. "WE WILL NEVER FORGET" is a nice slogan, but it should be followed with "BUT WE HARDLY REMEMBER EITHER!"