Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You can always buy a cake.

Let me guess, you have no idea why I said that.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What do you mean by "it works" in your life?

To put it into words that you would understand; I am closer to God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Not necessarily. There are many happy atheists who have lived long lives. This sounds more like opinion than fact anyway.

It is not my opinion, it is something I have heard from Christians.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why not just go join a country club or some other organization?

I am not a member of my religion because of fear.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What kind of enlightenment?

The true nature of reality; The wakened state to the dreamer.

Let me guess, you have no idea why I said that.

I knew I was just being facetious.

To put it into words that you would understand; I am closer to God.

How are you closer to God? Which God?

It is not my opinion, it is something I have heard from Christians.

So you don't really believe that religion contributes to a longer, happier life?

I am not a member of my religion because of fear.

But you mentioned that "community is a very important part of spirituality." But you don't have to have religion to be sociable. You can just interact with friends or join some club or organization for fun.

The true nature of reality; The wakened state to the dreamer.

What does all this have to do with God? Why do you need to know the true nature of reality? The wakened state to the drearmer? I cannot begin to understand that statement. Care to enlighten me pal?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why would you be responsible for your son's actions? That makes no sense. Besides, you are not God so the analogy doesn't work any way.

Science and God are compatible. My theory is that God may have intended for creation i.e. matter, the laws of the universe, and all other phenonmena to evince His existence in lieu of His apparent absence. It is as though God left us clues that point to His existence.

I know what you mean; however, it is understood that the Creator of law should transcend the law created. There are situations where God's law applies and when it does not. Case in point: The law of cause and effect is applicable to all things that exist in the universe (including the universe). But the law of cause and effect does not apply to God Himself because He has always existed. So, all things material have a beginning. Also, all creatures have a beginning, including all of the creatures that exist in the spirit realm or world (such as angels).

Does this compute?

God and science are not compatible in any way shape or form, if so then you could explain God with science. God defies even his own laws, that makes him the biggest hypocrite of all time “Do as I say and not as I do”.

My other question is why are you even on the board talking today on Easter Sunday one of your holiest days of the year???

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I knew I was just being facetious.

In the future, give me a clue.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How are you closer to God? Which God?

God is not outside of us. You cannot get closer to God, but the idea of closer to God is a good descriptor of how I feel.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So you don't really believe that religion contributes to a longer, happier life?

I do believe that Buddhism contributes to a longer, happier life. Christianity, on the other hand…

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you mentioned that "community is a very important part of spirituality." But you don't have to have religion to be sociable. You can just interact with friends or join some club or organization for fun.

What ever floats your boat.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What does all this have to do with God? Why do you need to know the true nature of reality? The wakened state to the drearmer? I cannot begin to understand that statement. Care to enlighten me pal?

Let me guess; you are not well read in eastern mythology.

You are the dreamer, and life is the dream. Enlightenment is awakening from the dream. However, that does not mean death.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I know you are just going to avoid this and not answer it directly but here is goes. If you know for 100% certainty that your son (i.e.: creation) will go and kill then you are responsible just as much if not more so for the killing because you have absolute knowledge that it will occur.

God and science are not compatible in any way shape or form, if so then you could explain God with science. God defies even his own laws, that makes him the biggest hypocrite of all time “Do as I say and not as I do”.

That logic does not apply to God. God is the giver of free will; hence, He must hold us i.e. humanity accountable for what we do with it.

Science is being used of God to point to Him and glorify Him.

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm (powerful)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/culeins.htm (funny)

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:h8Hm0u1VGQkJ:www.engr.colostate.edu/~echong/pubs/apologetics/existence.pdf+scientists+agree+God+exists&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us (interesting)

In the future, give me a clue.

Okay.

God is not outside of us. You cannot get closer to God, but the idea of closer to God is a good descriptor of how I feel.

Can you prove that God is not outside of us? What do your feelings have to do with God?

I do believe that Buddhism contributes to a longer, happier life. Christianity, on the other hand…

Why do you believe this? Is it written in some holy text or scientific journal?

What ever floats your boat.

Seriously, you don't have to have a religion to have community and social interaction.

Let me guess; you are not well read in eastern mythology.

You are the dreamer, and life is the dream. Enlightenment is awakening from the dream. However, that does not mean death.

No, I don't have an affinity for fiction.

This sounds very "matrix-ey." What if you are--already awake?!? 😱

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God, angels, Heaven, Hell, the cure for cancer and A.I.D.S., miracles, sin, eternal life. These are just some things that exist that have never been proven empirically.

I am not asking you to believe in something that does not exist. I am challenging you to believe in Someone that you cannot see.

The cure/treatment for cancer and AIDS are already exists or are half way through. All it needs are a little more time and research. There is no doubt for their existence.

God, Heaven, Hell, miracles, sin, eternal life are all garbage spewed by that unreliable, mythological book with pretensions of being sacred called the Bible.

Assuming that this Christian god is unseen/invisible implies that this god already has been proven to EXIST in the first place. But there is no credible proof of its existence. Yet another, circular argument from JIA.

You have to prove that the tooth fairy exists on the first place before telling people that it works in invisible ways.

Prove to me first that this all powerful god exists and i have no problem of believing that he is capable of being invisible/unseen.

There is no way to prove that God exists. There is evidence all through out creation. He even gave us a book declaring who He is.

If you cant see from these things that God exists then I cant make you believe in Him. Only God can open peoples eyes to the truth.

Ask the ones of the 12 - 15 hundreds.. I'm sure you will get the unanswered. They are the ones that interpreted and casted out all the writings...Even murder for votes.

It is a thing that is more indwelling in a higher nature............

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That logic does not apply to God. God is the giver of free will; hence, He must hold us i.e. humanity accountable for what [B]we do with it.

Science is being used of God to point to Him and glorify Him.

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm (powerful)

http://www.religioustolerance.org/culeins.htm (funny)

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:h8Hm0u1VGQkJ:www.engr.colostate.edu/~echong/pubs/apologetics/existence.pdf+scientists+agree+God+exists&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us (interesting) [/B]

Just to make one thing perfectly clear, you can not have free will if God is all seeing and all knowing because to him your path is already written.

And I still want to know why you are even on this form on one of your most holy days???

Originally posted by Templares
The cure/treatment for cancer and AIDS are already exists or are half way through. All it needs are a little more time and research. There is no doubt for their existence.

God, Heaven, Hell, miracles, sin, eternal life are all garbage spewed by that unreliable, mythological book with pretensions of being sacred called the Bible.

Assuming that this Christian god is unseen/invisible implies that this god already has been proven to EXIST in the first place. But there is no credible proof of its existence. Yet another, circular argument from JIA.

You have to prove that the tooth fairy exists on the first place before telling people that it works in invisible ways.

Prove to me first that this all powerful god exists and i have no problem of believing that he is capable of being invisible/unseen.

I don't believe you. I believe that you would find another excuse to discount the existence of God even if you had proof of God's existence.

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm (powerful)

Hugh Ross: if you think of a question two hours from now, the ministry I work for, Reasons to Believe, maintains a daily hotline. You are welcome to call, two hours per day, to ask your questions. The number is (626)335-5282, 5:00pm to 7:00pm Pacific Time. You are also welcome to write, and we'll respond to your questions in writing. The service is available, free of charge, to anyone who'd like to take advantage of it. [Website is www.reasons.org – ed.]

The lecturer for the first link invites readers/listeners to ask him questions.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Yes logic does not apply to God; I will give you that because he is not logical. There is not free will in the eyes of God because he already knows so there for there is not free will. As for you links what good is trying to use science to explain God when God exists outside of science, science by its very nature would be against God and his teaching. God doesn’t require knowledge and enlightenment but blind obedience and faith. You can try to use all the science you like but unless this applies to God as well then it will always fail.

Just to make one thing perfectly clear, you can not have free will if God is all seeing and all knowing because to him your path is already written.

And I still want to know why you are even on this form on one of your most holy days???

And yes God is not limited to the physical laws of this world.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Yes logic does not apply to God; I will give you that because he is not logical. There is not free will in the eyes of God because he already knows so there for there is not free will. As for you links what good is trying to use science to explain God when God exists outside of science, science by its very nature would be against God and his teaching. God doesn’t require knowledge and enlightenment but blind obedience and faith. You can try to use all the science you like but unless this applies to God as well then it will always fail.

Just to make one thing perfectly clear, you can not have free will if God is all seeing and all knowing because to him your path is already written.

And I still want to know why you are even on this form on one of your most holy days???

No, I didn't say that, I said that the logic that you used (the way that you used it) does not apply to God. Your perception of how God must or should operate is in error. Why should God do things your way? God is God for a reason. God does not think the way that you think Da Pittman. I know this comes as a tremendous shock to you. God is only infinite in understanding, unlimited in power, and ubiquitous. I know this does not compare to your abilities but I just thought that I would give you an idea of just how bright you are in comparison to the Almighty. You go ahead and shine pal. Disregard my ignorance. I forgot how smart you are relative to God. God must operate according to your blueprint and set of instructions or He is just plain dumb and illogical. God just doesn't make sense unless His actions make sense to Da Pittman.

Disclaimer: I don't mean a word of what I just wrote sarcastically.

Again, I must explain my actions including why I am on this forum or I am just plain guilty in the eyes of Da Pittman (not).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I didn't say that, I said that the logic that you used (the way that you used it) does not apply to God. Your perception of how God must or should operate is in error. Why should God do things your way? God is God for a reason. God does not think the way that you think Da Pittman. I know this comes as a tremendous shock to you. God is only infinite in understanding, unlimited in power, and ubiquitous. I know this does not compare to your abilities but I just thought that I would give you an idea of just how bright you are in comparison to the Almighty. You go ahead and shine pal. Disregard my ignorance. I forgot how smart you are relative to God. God must operate according to your blueprint and set of instructions or He is just plain dumb and illogical. God just doesn't make sense unless His actions make sense to Da Pittman.

Disclaimer: I don't mean a word of what I just wrote sarcastically.

Again, I must explain my actions including why I am on this forum or I am just plain guilty in the eyes of Da Pittman (not).

All of what you just said is assumptions, and I have no clue as to the humor you are trying to use. I find it funny that on one of your most holy days you are here talking and debating with heathens. Just my two cents.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Okay.

😐

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you prove that God is not outside of us? What do your feelings have to do with God?

Do you believe you are separate from God?

We were talking about how I feel.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why do you believe this? Is it written in some holy text or scientific journal?

Buddhism allows a person to have power over their life. There is no guarantee of a longer life, but the Buddhist practice can help in longevity, by helping to eliminate stress from every day life. That is not to say that life will be stress free, but happiness is beneficial.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Seriously, you don't have to have a religion to have community and social interaction.

Then I am happy for you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I don't have an affinity for fiction.

This sounds very "matrix-ey." What if you are--already awake?!? 😱

Are you saying that Eastern Mythology is less valuable then Western Mythology?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Yes I am smarter than God since he doesn’t exist he doesn’t have an IQ.

All of what you just said is assumptions, and I have no clue as to the humor you are trying to use. I find it funny that on one of your most holy days you are here talking and debating with heathens. Just my two cents.

Actually what you have just said is an assumption. Why do you assume that today is one of my holy days?

Do you believe you are separate from God?

Yes I do.

We were talking about how I feel.

But...what do your feelings have to do with anything?

Buddhism allows a person to have power over their life. There is no guarantee of a longer life, but the Buddhist practice can help in longevity, by helping to eliminate stress from every day life. That is not to say that life will be stress free, but happiness is beneficial.

How does Buddhism allow a person to have power over their life? How does Buddhist practice help eliminate stress?

Then I am happy for you.

I was not referring to myself, I was speaking generally.

Are you saying that Eastern Mythology is less valuable then Western Mythology?

I am saying that I don't care for fictional information in books.

http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm (Listen to “If you can read this, I can prove God exists” by Perry Marshall)

Originally posted by Templares
LOLOLOL ! ! ! 1 1 1

Please do provide example of things that exist but has never been credibly proven. Promise i wont laugh (Santa Claus, unicorns, minotaurs, the philosopher stone, oh my! 😂 ).

What youre asking, "To believe in something that doesnt exist", is RETARDATION. It runs contrary to logical procedures. ILLOGICAL paradigm shifts like what youre asking are NOT valid options/perspectives and are NOT worth considering.

Originally posted by Templares
I am trained to use logic and reason in putting my point across.

Originally posted by Templares
The problem is your are blinded by your faith to believe in something that doesnt EXIST. Youve been raised and conditioned all throughout your life to believe in something that doesnt EXIST. How pathetic.

Originally posted by Templares
And before i forgot, using the Bible as proof of God's existence is another example of circular argument.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/ifyoucanreadthis.htm (Listen to “If you can read this, I can prove God exists” by Perry Marshall)

I stopped reading when he claimed that darwinian evolution states that "the necessities of the environment, random mutation and natural selection working together caused the antelope to grow a longer neck and become a giraffe."

If that were so, there would be no antelopes.

Anywho, just found this interesting article:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060327083737.htm