Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But the relationship that believers have with God through Jesus Christ does not fit that characterization. There is nothing to work. See, if you have a religion then there [b]is something to work. But believers understand that what we have in Christ is not a religion--but eternal life and freedom. To people who hold to semantics Christianity is a religion, but that is not how believers choose to describe the liberty that we have in Christ. In every "religion" (again excluding Christianity) there is a litany of things that must be done in order to achieve peace or oneness or nirvana etc. There is none of that in Christ. There is only life. Jesus did not come to bring religion, He came to this earth so that we might have life and have it more abundantly. This is God's will whether any of us experience it or not.Do you follow what I mean? [/B]
This is just circular double talk. You are trying to make the word "religion" have two meanings, and it doesn't. Then you try to say that you are free, and that other "religions" have things you have to do, and somehow that makes them not free. I have news for you, there are things you have to do, like not sin and believe in Jesus, so you point is wrong.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
OK, I have a book that is written by a bunch of people that says he doesn't exist so that has to be proof because you have a book written by a bunch of people that says he does. 😱
wot?!?! dat makes no sense because it saes in my book that he does. I must be right, joo don't even know!!! 🙄
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
To you, "There is only one piece of credible evidence for a man named Jesus, and that was an account of his Crucifixion." But to me, there is ample evidence of Jesus' divinity. But...it really doesn't matter because I believe and accept this evidence by faith, but you deny it.
You can believe whatever you wish too. You don't have to have evidence to have faith.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
You do not provide any scriptures that say that angles have free will because there are none, only your speculation. It is made very clear and to the point that free will is the greatest gift and was given to man, this is very clear throughout the Bible. Man was given the greatest gift of all and Satan was jealous of this gift, so why would be jealous of something he already had?
First, you make the predictable and callow mistake of assuming that because I won't acquiesce to your demand that I must not be able to. Second, you make a claim that you are not capable of supporting with Scripture. Show me where in the Bible it states that,
"It is made very clear and to the point that free will is the greatest gift and was given to man, this is very clear throughout the Bible. Man was given the greatest gift of all and Satan was jealous of this gift,...."
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhat did you just say??? I have no idea what you are asking??? You want me to quote you scripture???
First, you make the predictable and callow mistake of assuming that because I won't acquiesce to your demand that I must not be able to. Second, you make a claim that you are not capable of supporting with Scripture. Show me where in the Bible it states that,"It is made very clear and to the point that free will is the greatest gift and was given to man, this is very clear throughout the Bible. Man was given the greatest gift of all and Satan was jealous of this gift,...."
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is just circular double talk. You are trying to make the word "religion" have two meanings, and it doesn't. Then you try to say that you are free, and that other "religions" have things you have to do, and somehow that makes them not free. I have news for you, there are things you have to do, like not sin and believe in Jesus, so you point is wrong.
How is it circular?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You can believe whatever you wish too. You don't have to have evidence to have faith.
My evidence is the events recorded in the Bible. I was not there to observe any of what was written unfold. Hence, I accept it by faith, but to those who were there, it is evidence.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How is it circular?
Circular reasoning is an attempt to support a statement by simply repeating the statement in different or stronger terms.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My evidence is the events recorded in the Bible. I was not there to observe any of what was written unfold. Hence, I accept it by faith, but to those who were there, it is evidence.
The problem here is that in the huge majority of scientific settings, the bible is not representative of facts.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
OK, I have a book that is written by a bunch of people that says he doesn't exist so that has to be proof because you have a book written by a bunch of people that says he does. 😱
There is only one problem: you have to get rid of universe and earth in order to convince me that God does not exist. You see, the Bible states that God's invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead (i.e. deity, divinity). Moreover the Scriptures state that The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament (i.e. sky) shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. This is my proof (that I accept by faith) that God exists, what is yours that He does not?
Again, my proof that God exists is tangible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAs well as it is mine that he is not, if you accept it as faith then leave it as that and do not claim it as the truth. Simple as that.
There is only one problem: you have to get rid of universe and earth in order to convince me that God does not exist. You see, the Bible states that God's [B]invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead (i.e. deity, divinity). Moreover the Scriptures state that The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament (i.e. sky) shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. This is my proof (that I accept by faith) that God exists, what is yours that He does not?Again, my proof that God exists is tangible. [/B]
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why the bible and not some other book?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html
http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/word/word.htm
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibletru.html
These are just some reasons why the Bible and not some other book.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~shagin/logfal-pbc-circular.htm
I don't recall using any circular reasoning. What I did was clarify a fallacy that exists in reference to Christianity.