Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Try not to cherry pick. I wrote that the Scriptures state that [b]God is eternal. This is in addition to stating that God is the Beginning and the End. [/B]

Also what is with you as of late using science to try and prove you statements, were you not the one saying that I have faith in others so what make your faith in their science any different. You are the biggest hypocrite that I know.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
sleepy

All your debating has been fun, but when are you going to admit your on a path to destruction by joining the Satanic Churches and denying the Papacy?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
No that is not an answer, how do I have faith in the words of others when they can show the tests, math and experiments to verify their claims?

The problem with your link about Thermodynamics is that they show no supporting evidence, no test, math or experiments to prove that the universe supports their claim. They generalize it to the point of simplity “Simply stated, they are as follows:”that makes it easy to find holes. Quoted “The laws of thermodynamics provide some of the strongest scientific arguments for the existence of a Creator.” So where is the science to support this? They like to use common words to explain their theory like “closed system” so that the common man can understand, and then twist the meaning so that it makes scene if you don’t know what it really means. Their statement “The earth, they maintain, is not a closed system, but an open system which constantly receives abundant amounts of energy from the sun.” is false because the Sun has a finite amount of energy and in our solar system is a closed system and the Earth is a part of that closed system until the introduction of a new source.

Shak does not believe that this universe is a closed system but it appears that you do Da Pittman.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is a spirit, and why is it not bound to the laws that material things are bound to? I think you are making this up as you go.

What makes the law of gravity the law of gravity is the fact that everywhere you go in the universe you will find gravity and it will work in the same way. If a spirit is not affected by gravity, then gravity is not a law but a localized phenomenon. If that is the case, then we cannot know anything.

You are a spirit (this is the real you). A spirit is the non-corporeal aspect of human-kind's triune nature. You are a spirit, you have a soul (i.e. mind, will, emotions, personality, reason, concscious, intellect)., but you live in a physical body. But the real you is a spirit.

No, spirits are not affected by gravity. All of the laws of this universe are confined to this universe (i.e. this physical realm).

Originally posted by Da Pittman
You did not post that, show me where....

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have coined your own terms. I have never said that "spirits are not tied to the physical world."

The Scriptures state categorically that God is eternal. Jesus even stated that He (i.e. Himself) is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last. This means that God is the Beginning and End (i.e. eternal).

See, I did post this.

Also if spirits are eternal then he is not the only one, so what makes God so special? And stop with the **** stupid "prove it" crap and answer the question. You say you try and answer the questions but you keep dodging them and don't use the excuses that you have to many people to respond to.

You are correct, God is not the only eternal Spirit. However, God is the only uncreated, eternal Spirit.

Also what is with you as of late using science to try and prove you statements, were you not the one saying that I have faith in others so what make your faith in their science any different. You are the biggest hypocrite that I know.

I have used science in past posts in other threads (including this one) to substantiate my statements. I do not know why you keep beating this dead horse. How many times have a explained why I used that rationale towards you? Do you recall why?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
All your debating has been fun, but when are you going to admit your on a path to destruction by joining the Satanic Churches and denying the Papacy?

I haven't joined any satanic churches.

I do deny the Papacy because it is diametrically opposed to the Scriptures (as I have already established).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I haven't joined any satanic churches.

I do deny the Papacy because it is diametrically opposed to the Scriptures (as I have already established).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Prove that the universe is not a closed system.

But the information is not lost.

http://www.uark.edu/~cdm/creation/universeorigin.htm

Under the correct circumstances black holes can evaporate. When they evaporate that information that has been drawn into the black hole is lost. You act like this is something I made up. I get this from a theory by Stephen Hawkins. Please look up the “Black hole information paradox”.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Prove that the universe is not a closed system.

Telling me over and over that the universe is not a closed system does not substantiate your claim.

I’m not the one repeating myself. “No comment, No comment, No comment.”

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No comment.

See what I mean.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No comment.

Yes, yes, you seem to be the one repeating. Can’t handle the Truth?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Sure I do.

I don’t believe you. I think the truth is that you only believe in bible education. How is that any different from Muslim extremists who believe only in teaching the Koran?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will…what?

Play games.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I know that karma is not change.

How do you know that. Because you looked up the word change and didn’t find “also see Karma”?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, you asked me what was change to me, and I responded with what I believe change is, as defined by Merriam-Websters online dictionary.

It was rhetorical.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will not argue with personal opinion.

How is fear and the truth a personal opinion?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I mean God spoke and matter, energy, and time-space [b]became. They are moving (or expanding at the same velocity or rate that they were created through words).

Hubble's Law confirms the universe expansion aspect of this. [/B]

However, the expansion of the universe is increasing. Therefore, they cannot be expanding at the same velocity or rate that they were created.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are a spirit (this is the real you). A spirit is the non-corporeal aspect of human-kind's triune nature. You are a spirit, you have a soul (i.e. mind, will, emotions, personality, reason, concscious, intellect)., but you live in a physical body. But the real you is a spirit.

No, spirits are not affected by gravity. All of the laws of this universe are confined to this universe (i.e. this physical realm).

😆 Then my cat also has a spirit... and a tree has a spirit... and so do rocks...

In other words, this is your belief. There is no proof for a spirit. You will never be able to find a spirit, because they do not exist.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😆 Then my cat also has a spirit... and a tree has a spirit... and so do rocks...

In other words, this is your belief. There is no proof for a spirit. You will never be able to find a spirit, because they do not exist.

The Dharmic religions (which includes yours) believe that all organisms have spirits. So yeah, you should think trees and cats do too.

And if you don't believe that spirits exist, then what part of you will be reincarnated? What part of you will come back as either a human or a dog in your next life, Shaky?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Shak does not believe that this universe is a closed system but it appears that you do Da Pittman.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

See, I did post this.

You are correct, God is not the only eternal Spirit. However, God is the only uncreated, eternal Spirit.

I have used science in past posts in other threads (including this one) to substantiate my statements. I do not know why you keep beating this dead horse. How many times have a explained why I used that rationale towards you? Do you recall why? [/B]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have faith in other people's words.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
argue that with transfinitum. he will destroy your non catholic views 😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I mean God spoke and matter, energy, and time-space [b]became. They are moving (or expanding at the same velocity or rate that they were created through words).

Hubble's Law confirms the universe expansion aspect of this. [/B]

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😆 Then my cat also has a spirit... and a tree has a spirit... and so do rocks...

In other words, this is your belief. There is no proof for a spirit. You will never be able to find a spirit, because they do not exist.

Animals do not have spirits, they have souls. Only humans are spirits because we are created in God's image and likeness.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Hubble's Law doesn’t prove that the universe is expanding which would be in direct contradiction to your entropy theory as well. Then you have your own scientists that contradict you and you faith in Hubble. http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0809_cdk_davies.asp

How?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Animals do not have spirits, they have souls. Only humans are spirits because we are created in God's image and likeness.

In Revelation 5:8-13 all creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.

In Psalm Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom.

Romans 8:19 says that the lesser creatures await Christ's return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
The Dharmic religions (which includes yours) believe that all organisms have spirits. So yeah, you should think trees and cats do too.

And if you don't believe that spirits exist, then what part of you will be reincarnated? What part of you will come back as either a human or a dog in your next life, Shaky?

I do not believe in an invisible ghost that inhabits my body. I am a coop of trillions of living cells that all work together. The whole is greater then the sum of the parts, but that happens to trees, cats, and nonliving things like rocks and orchestras. If this whole that is greater then the parts is the soul, then that would be fine, but that is not what Christians are talking about.

Reincarnation is a simple model that tries to describe the connection between the past present and the future. However, the past and future are illusions, and now is all the exists. The now of the past is the same now as the now of the future. I am the incarnation of my entity that lives in the now. Past, present and future lives can be described as flowers on a tree. The bud turns into a flower and then dies, but the tree lives on.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
You do not know either, you have purposed evidence of a closed and open system and that is not even my point of the post any way so what is your point? No you didn’t post that God is eternal, that is your statement not anything from the Bible stating this. Please show me a passage in the Bible that says that God is the only uncreated eternal spirit. I’m beating a dead horse? You keep posting links to pages or making claims about science (and its clear you don’t understand it) and when someone else does it you say the “prove it” bullsh*t over and over again. You do this to everyone so stop acting like a 2 year old and answer the question without another question. I have asked you again and again without playing games how I have faith in science and you give me this answer???

My point is that the universe is a closed system.

Yes I did post that God is eternal, I just did not use Scripture reference because whenever I do that you start complaining. But trust me, the Bible does state that God is eternal.

The fact that God is the Creator is sufficient proof that God is uncreated. This is common sense.

I have answered your specious question numerous times.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Animals do not have spirits, they have souls. Only humans are spirits because we are created in God's image and likeness.

So, the god of the bible looks like an animal? Humans are animals, you silly Hominid.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I do not believe in an invisible ghost that inhabits my body. I am a coop of trillions of living cells that all work together. The whole is greater then the sum of the parts, but that happens to trees, cats, and nonliving things like rocks and orchestras. If this whole that is greater then the parts is the soul, then that would be fine, but that is not what Christians are talking about.

Reincarnation is a simple model that tries to describe the connection between the past present and the future. However, the past and future are illusions, and now is all the exists. The now of the past is the same now as the now of the future. I am the incarnation of my entity that lives in the now. Past, present and future lives can be described as flowers on a tree. The bud turns into a flower and then dies, but the tree lives on.

It does not matter what you believe or don't believe. You are a spirit just like God because you have been created in His image and likeness. However, other objects and creatures and organisms are not spirits. Trees are not spirits or souls.