Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Allankles
He doesn't oppress man on God's behalf he oppresses man for his own reasons, not God's. The adversary is the accuser, constantly accusing man for many transgressions before God.

Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament) does not assign this level of personification to the devil; there, the Adversary (Ha-satan) is a servant of God whose job it is to test humankind.

In the book of Job (Iyov), ha-satan is the title, not the proper name, of an angel submitted to God; he is the divine court's chief prosecutor. In Judaism ha-satan does not make evil, rather points out to God the evil inclinations and actions of humankind. In essence ha-satan has no power unless humans do evil things. After God points out Job's piety, ha-satan asks for permission to test the faith of Job. The righteous man is afflicted with loss of family, property, and later, health, but he still stays faithful to God. At the conclusion of this book God appears as a whirlwind, explaining to all that divine justice is inscrutable. In the epilogue Job's possessions are restored and he has a second family to "replace" the one that died.

Originally posted by Allankles
He doesn't oppress man on God's behalf he oppresses man for his own reasons, not God's. The adversary is the accuser, constantly accusing man for many transgressions before God.

Except that The Satan was allowed to test Job piety on the lords behalf.

Originally posted by Allankles
He doesn't oppress man on God's behalf he oppresses man for his own reasons, not God's. The adversary is the accuser, constantly accusing man for many transgressions before God.

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some ppl really need to read and do some research or take some theology courses.... before voicing there opinion.

JIA did you find out how and when the bible was canonize and how many times it was edited to todays edition?

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The First Council of Nicaea; 325 AD.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
JIA did you find out how and when the bible was canonize and how many times it was edited to todays edition?

That's not really important 😬

dont forget king james had his white out and pen as well...,

also i believe it was edited one last time in 1960 something dont qoute me on it till i find evidence of it, or does anyone know for sure?

regardless god sure wasn't there supervising, unless ppl believe god watch while ppl mutilated his word to fit the church and kings ability to divorce and kill there wives...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Hebrew Bible (or Old Testament) does not assign this level of personification to the devil; there, the Adversary (Ha-satan) is a servant of God whose job it is to test humankind.

In the book of Job (Iyov), ha-satan is the title, not the proper name, of an angel submitted to God; he is the divine court's chief prosecutor. In Judaism ha-satan does not make evil, rather points out to God the evil inclinations and actions of humankind. In essence ha-satan has no power unless humans do evil things. After God points out Job's piety, ha-satan asks for permission to test the faith of Job. The righteous man is afflicted with loss of family, property, and later, health, but he still stays faithful to God. At the conclusion of this book God appears as a whirlwind, explaining to all that divine justice is inscrutable. In the epilogue Job's possessions are restored and he has a second family to "replace" the one that died.

The devil is a person and the Bible does indicate this. The Bible states that Satan entered Judas. The devil is able to do this because he is a spirit creature with a personality, intellect, will, and ability i.e. power. The devil tempted Jesus to sin on numerous occasions, influenced Adam and Eve to sin against God, afflicted Job, aspired to dethrone God (see Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:11-19). Jesus called the devil the father of lies and stated that He beheld satan like lightning fall from Heaven (see Luke 10:17-19). The devil's original name was Lucifer prior to his sin of pride and rebellion against God.

Here is a list of scriptural information that I have compiled about the devil:

The names of satan—
1. devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12;
John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10
2. adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8
3. enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10
4. tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5
5. serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2
6. dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13
7. prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2
8. king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28
9. lucifer—Isaiah 14:12
10. anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14
11. day star—Isaiah 14:12
12. son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12
13. wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16;
1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19

14. satan is a created cherub whose name was Lucifer—
Isaiah14:12

15. satan was once a beautiful cherub who’s place was near the
throne of God.—Isaiah 14:12-21; Ezekiel 28:11-19

16. satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15;

1 Chronicle 21:1, 7; Job 2:7; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:2- 19; Zechariah 3:2; Matthew 13:38, 4:1-10, 25:41;
Luke 10:19-20, 13:16: John 10:38, 13:2, 10;
Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 11:14;
Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:26; James 4:7;
1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8; Jude 1:9; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10;

17. satan is the tempter—Matthew 4:3, 5, 8, 11; Mark 1:13; Luke
4:2-3, 5:13; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 1 Thessalonians 3:5;
James 1:13-15

18. satan is the father of lies—Genesis 3:4, John 8:44

19. satan sinned—Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; 1 John 3:8

20. the devil will be cast into the lake of fire—Revelation 20:10, 15

21. satan blinds the minds of those who are perishing [i.e. the
unsaved]—Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4

22. satan is the oppressor—Luke 13:10-17; Acts 10:38;

23. satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy—John 10:10

24. satan was a murderer from the beginning—John 8:44

25. satan transforms himself as an angel of light—2 Corinthians
11:4

26. satan is a hinders the plan and will of God—1 Thessalonians
2:18

27. satan binds and afflicts people—Job 2:7; Luke 13:16;
2 Timothy 2:26

28. satan is a deceiver—Revelation 20:10

29. satan is our adversary—1 Peter 5:8

30. satan will cast into the lake of fire one day—Revelation 20:10

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's not really important 😬

It really isn't since the original translations of The Bible since it's canon was established are available.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The devil is a person and the Bible does indicate this. The Bible states that Satan entered Judas. The devil is able to do this because he is a spirit creature with a personality, intellect, will, and ability i.e. power. The devil tempted Jesus to sin on numerous occasions, influenced Adam and Eve to sin against God, afflicted Job, aspired to dethrone God (see Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:11-19). Jesus called the devil the father of lies and stated that He beheld satan like lightning fall from Heaven (see Luke 10:17-19). The devil's original name was Lucifer prior to his sin of pride and rebellion against God.

Here is a list of scriptural information that I have compiled about the devil:

[b]The names of satan—
1. devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12;
John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10
2. adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8
3. enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10
4. tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5
5. serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2
6. dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13
7. prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2
8. king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28
9. lucifer—Isaiah 14:12
10. anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14
11. day star—Isaiah 14:12
12. son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12
13. wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16;
1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19

14. satan is a created cherub whose name was Lucifer—
Isaiah14:12

15. satan was once a beautiful cherub who’s place was near the
throne of God.—Isaiah 14:12-21; Ezekiel 28:11-19

16. satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15;

1 Chronicle 21:1, 7; Job 2:7; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:2- 19; Zechariah 3:2; Matthew 13:38, 4:1-10, 25:41;
Luke 10:19-20, 13:16: John 10:38, 13:2, 10;
Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 11:14;
Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:26; James 4:7;
1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8; Jude 1:9; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10;

17. satan is the tempter—Matthew 4:3, 5, 8, 11; Mark 1:13; Luke
4:2-3, 5:13; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 1 Thessalonians 3:5;
James 1:13-15

18. satan is the father of lies—Genesis 3:4, John 8:44

19. satan sinned—Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; 1 John 3:8

20. the devil will be cast into the lake of fire—Revelation 20:10, 15

21. satan blinds the minds of those who are perishing [i.e. the
unsaved]—Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4

22. satan is the oppressor—Luke 13:10-17; Acts 10:38;

23. satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy—John 10:10

24. satan was a murderer from the beginning—John 8:44

25. satan transforms himself as an angel of light—2 Corinthians
11:4

26. satan is a hinders the plan and will of God—1 Thessalonians
2:18

27. satan binds and afflicts people—Job 2:7; Luke 13:16;
2 Timothy 2:26

28. satan is a deceiver—Revelation 20:10

29. satan is our adversary—1 Peter 5:8

30. satan will cast into the lake of fire one day—Revelation 20:10 [/B]

Satan is a word in hebrew which means adversary, Accuser, opressor, and Rival. It only becomes a character in the Book of Jobs as Ha-Satan/The Satan.

Originally posted by Classic NES
It really isn't since the original translations of since it's canon was established are available.

I don't think those words form a sentence in English.

Missing words added. 🙂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The devil is a person and the Bible does indicate this. The Bible states that Satan entered Judas. The devil is able to do this because he is a spirit creature with a personality, intellect, will, and ability i.e. power. The devil tempted Jesus to sin on numerous occasions, influenced Adam and Eve to sin against God, afflicted Job, aspired to dethrone God (see Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:11-19). Jesus called the devil the father of lies and stated that He beheld satan like lightning fall from Heaven (see Luke 10:17-19). The devil's original name was Lucifer prior to his sin of pride and rebellion against God.

Here is a list of scriptural information that I have compiled about the devil:

[b]The names of satan—
1. devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12;
John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10
2. adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8
3. enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10
4. tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5
5. serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2
6. dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13
7. prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2
8. king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28
9. lucifer—Isaiah 14:12
10. anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14
11. day star—Isaiah 14:12
12. son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12
13. wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16;
1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19

14. satan is a created cherub whose name was Lucifer—
Isaiah14:12

15. satan was once a beautiful cherub who’s place was near the
throne of God.—Isaiah 14:12-21; Ezekiel 28:11-19

16. satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15;

1 Chronicle 21:1, 7; Job 2:7; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:2- 19; Zechariah 3:2; Matthew 13:38, 4:1-10, 25:41;
Luke 10:19-20, 13:16: John 10:38, 13:2, 10;
Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 11:14;
Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:26; James 4:7;
1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8; Jude 1:9; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10;

17. satan is the tempter—Matthew 4:3, 5, 8, 11; Mark 1:13; Luke
4:2-3, 5:13; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 1 Thessalonians 3:5;
James 1:13-15

18. satan is the father of lies—Genesis 3:4, John 8:44

19. satan sinned—Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; 1 John 3:8

20. the devil will be cast into the lake of fire—Revelation 20:10, 15

21. satan blinds the minds of those who are perishing [i.e. the
unsaved]—Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4

22. satan is the oppressor—Luke 13:10-17; Acts 10:38;

23. satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy—John 10:10

24. satan was a murderer from the beginning—John 8:44

25. satan transforms himself as an angel of light—2 Corinthians
11:4

26. satan is a hinders the plan and will of God—1 Thessalonians
2:18

27. satan binds and afflicts people—Job 2:7; Luke 13:16;
2 Timothy 2:26

28. satan is a deceiver—Revelation 20:10

29. satan is our adversary—1 Peter 5:8

30. satan will cast into the lake of fire one day—Revelation 20:10 [/B]

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Originally posted by Classic NES

Satan is a word in Hebrew which means adversary, Accuser, opressor, and Rival. It only becomes a character in the Book of Jobs as Ha-Satan/The Satan.

really wish you stop posting all those chapters and focus on each one individually and give me your opinion.... so i can address each one individually..

having said that the devil satan shiatan the accuser and the adversary are all words to describes mans inner demons and self doubt ...

jesus in the garden was arguing with himself and his own doubts and temptations... the same thing that we all do. the snake in eden was just that not the devil he was never called the devil or discribe as such.

you also have failed to show jesus or god call him any of those things.... where he is made personified as evil.

all the other descriptions are of the new testament and mans own interpretation of what they believe the devil to be....

when we call a murderer a monster, we really dont mean an actual monster..

Originally posted by Classic NES

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4567&t=KJV

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Satan.html

http://sacred-texts.com/bib/poly/h7853.htm

Non bias source.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[b]The names of satan—
1. devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12;
John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10
2. adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8
3. enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10
4. tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5
5. serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2
6. dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13
7. prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2
8. king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28
9. lucifer—Isaiah 14:12
10. anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14
11. day star—Isaiah 14:12
12. son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12
13. wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16;
1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19 [/B]

You need to substantiate that all of those refer to the same person.

Isaiah14:12 Awesome quote. Doesn't say Satan = Lucifer though. Since it's generally accepted, however, that's perfectly good evidence of Satan fighting God. Although God seems to have done the smiting before Satan did anything.

satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15;
Neither of them says anything to that effect.

1 Chronicle 21:1-7
God smites Israel for . . . counting.

Job 2:7
See Job 2:6 "And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life."

Ezekiel 28:2-19
Doesn't even mention Satan.

Zechariah 3:2
Says that God doesn't like Satan (understandable) but not that Satan himself has done wrong.

And so on I assume . . .

http://www.gotquestions.org/search.php?zoom_sort=0&zoom_query=satan

Not this Lucifer argument again. . .I'm just gonna re-post what I said via Copy-Paste.

Originally posted by Classic NES
[B]The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
13:1

That was the introduction,isaiah was talking about babylon and it's king

And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. 13:19

more proof it's about babylon.

14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

What nations did satan cut? [/B]

No, Lucifer is a latin word which means "Light Bringer" or "Morning Star", jesus is called lucifer in revalations. when it was first used in the book of Isaiah, it was towards the babylonian king and babylons "Sun worship".