Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Exactly what I am trying to convey.
But if you agree with that statement you accept that the Bible does not always go into details of the Ins and Outs of certain acts...
You accept God scattered the people and gave them new languages, you assume that this possibly included a change in physical appearance.
Maybe we should look back at Genesis and consider what was left out there...
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
It says they were given new tongues, perhaps that included culture/appearance etc.
It sounds like pure speculation.
I know you have a more lenient/open way when it comes to your Biblical views, but someone like JIA who'll stand by the "if it's in the Bible, that's how it had to be" until he's blue in the face when something clearly shows his reasoning faulty, shouldn't be injecting, it's either in the Bible that God created the different ethnicity's out of Noah and the seven, or it isn't.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Exactly what I am trying to convey.
Bullshit, you don't have an answer and are now riding his coattails.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
there dating method was astrologically based did the acient civilzations get this wrong too?how do you think neanderthal are portrayed that does not agree with you.
The Bible is my premise (i.e. my starting point in terms of truth) so I begin here and reconcile all research to it.
Primitive, unintelligent, and caveman-ish.
Originally posted by Robtard
Can you quote me a passage? It sounds like pure speculation.I know you have a more lenient/open way when it comes to your Biblical views, but someone like JIA who'll stand by the "if it's in the Bible, that's how it had to be" until he's blue in the face when something clearly shows his reasoning faulty, shouldn't be injecting, it's either in the Bible that God created the different ethnicity's out of Noah and the seven, or it isn't.
Bullshit, you don't have an answer and are now riding his coattails.
The point concerning certain fundamentalist views has been addressed.
Also I don't think that the narrative is definitive, the Jewish people didn't even believe it to be definitive.
Jesus taught using simile and parable. If Jesus is God and he gave the story of creation to Moses...wouldn't it be in a parable format too?
For me these things put global events into more understandable easier to comprehend ideals.
I believe that Adam was not one man (although there may have been a figure called Adam) but rather the representation of the early human people. I believe that his fall was not actually eating a fruit but rather indulging in wrongful practices and faithlessness. So essentially, its all symbolic in my eyes. Therefore I think this method is employed throughout the Bible...as it is in Jesus teachings.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible is my premise (i.e. my starting point in terms of truth) so I begin here and reconcile all research to it.Primitive, unintelligent, and caveman-ish.
the bible never gave a definite answer to its age or creation point so how can you make that assumption.
as oppose to them being upright suit and tie and brief case in hand?
bye the bye they were fairly intellegent with tool making music and rudimentry language capable of foraging for food and making clothing ect ect..
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
But if you agree with that statement you accept that the Bible does not always go into details of the Ins and Outs of certain acts...You accept God scattered the people and gave them new languages, you assume that this possibly included a change in physical appearance.
Maybe we should look back at Genesis and consider what was left out there...
I don't have any problem just accepting what the Bible does reveal and just leaving all of the other questions unanswered. My life is not dependent on whether I know the answer to the questions that have been raised on this forum. God knew that people would have all these questions and yet He did not deem it necessary to include the answers to them in the Bible. Hence, the questions must not be all that important to know the answers to.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't have any problem just accepting what the Bible does reveal and just leaving all of the other questions unanswered. My life is not dependent on whether I know the answer to the questions that have been raised on this forum. God knew that people would have all these questions and yet He did not deem it necessary to include the answers to them in the Bible. Hence, the questions must not be all that important to know the answers to.
Then why does David go looking for the answers, with God's blessing?
Why do the prophets and Christ answer questions, rather than just preaching.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The point concerning certain fundamentalist views has been addressed.Also I don't think that the narrative is definitive, the Jewish people didn't even believe it to be definitive.
Jesus taught using simile and parable. If Jesus is God and he gave the story of creation to Moses...wouldn't it be in a parable format too?
I saw above.
I agree with that sentiment; I do find it silly when those very same fundies will stand by the Bible as being final and then not if it just happens to suit their immediate need.
Not sure, as God hadn't taken on the Jesus aspect during the time of Moses and God certainly had a different way of going about things before Jesus.
Edit: I read your additions and they certainly are more reasonable then other interpretations, still based on faith, but certainly more reasonable.
Originally posted by Robtard
I saw above.I agree with that sentiment; I do find it silly when those very same fundies will stand by the Bible as being final and then not if it just happens to suit their immediate need.
Not sure, as God hadn't taken on the Jesus aspect during the time of Moses and God certainly had a different way of going about things before Jesus.
I find it a little arrogant to call fundamentalists silly because they apply a differing form of interpretation of the world around them...even so I agree it is silly.
Well I don't know if that's true- Jesus was not the first prophet to teach in parables.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Then why does David go looking for the answers, with God's blessing?Why do the prophets and Christ answer questions, rather than just preaching.
I am not David nor am I Christ. I can only provide answers to questions that the Bible has made provision for answering. In other words, if the Bible reveals that the first humans were created mature not single-celled organisms, then I can answer a question about the origin of the first humans in reference to their development. However, what I cannot answer is what they looked because the Bible does not furnish that information.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not David nor am I Christ. I can only provide answers to questions that the Bible has made provision for answering. In other words, if the Bible reveals that the first humans were created mature not single-celled organisms, then I can answer a question about the origin of the first humans in reference to their development. However, what I cannot answer is what they looked because the Bible does not furnish that information.
Are you not called on to be like David and to be like Christ?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible is my premise (i.e. my starting point in terms of truth) so I begin here and reconcile all research to it.Primitive, unintelligent, and caveman-ish.
Now that's silly, you'll twist, bend or dismiss anyhting that doesn't flow with your interpretation of the Bible, even if there are irrefutable facts that show you otherwise.
You said you knew very little about Neanderthals and it shows. Those aspects haven't been accepted for decades now.
Neanderthals were more primitive than Modern Man (Cro Magnon in Europe) in certain aspects, like tool making, but not all and in varying degrees.
They were just as intelligent and had brains slightly larger overall, they just functioned differently when it came in intuition, problem solving, artistic ability etc. Their brain make-up along with their physical make-up suited them perfectly for their environment, ie ice age Europe.
They at times lived in caves, just as Modern Man did, so not sure that's a negative, as caves provide great protection from the elements.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
angry manatee are you primed lock and loaded? we have a go !!!initiate attack formation take my six and follow me in.
firing on JIA
tomcat
Indeed, it seems like he thinks neandertals are Homo Sapiens. Albeit, with no prominent chin, huge brows, an occipital bun on the back of their skull, and a different hip structure compared to ours. Just to name a few.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Are you not called on to be like David and to be like Christ?
Have you ever had to take a test that was entirely on material that you were not taught? How did it make you feel? Now suppose the test was on a subject that you were taught and that you were allowed to study prior to the exam, how do you think you would fare? Would you be more knowledgeable on the subject of microbiology or less knowledgeable if you were never taught microbiology?