Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
The notion that his sacrifice was somehow not admirable because he knew he was going to be all right seems altogether trivial in my eyes.
I think the point is that Jesus didn't really lose his life which blunts the impact of dying. While his actions (whether one thinks he was right or not) were still extremely admirable the level of sacrifice is less than a normal person dying in a permanent way for a trivial cause.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos👆
I think the point is that Jesus didn't really lose his life which blunts the impact of dying. While his actions (whether one thinks he was right or not) were still extremely admirable the level of sacrifice is less than a normal person dying in a permanent way for a trivial cause.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think the point is that Jesus didn't really lose his life which blunts the impact of dying. While his actions (whether one thinks he was right or not) were still extremely admirable the level of sacrifice is less than a normal person dying in a permanent way for a trivial cause.
It doesn't really matter though... it is a limited perspective on the crucifixion I feel.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-GavSo for you it is the ends not the means, so just because Jesus gave up a moment of discomfort this should be the "ultimate sacrifice"? So for you the sacrifice and what they are giving up is nothing compared to the reward, so if someone is giving up their life to save their family this is nothing to you?
It doesn't really matter though... it is a limited perspective on the crucifixion I feel.
I think that you have a limited understanding of his sacrifice, I'm fully aware of the story of his "great" sacrifice and have had it shoved in my face over and OVER again. There is no disputing the fact that Jesus didn't give up anything to "save" us, he did not die, he did not lose anything but a moment of discomfort and to a god that lives at the start and end of time what is 30 years. What is a few days of "suffering" to a god that created all that is and all that was?
Now if Jesus really died now that would be a sacrifice, now can we be thankful that he gave up a second of his time to "save us" I guess so if you believe it but what did Jesus really sacrifice?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
So for you it is the ends not the means, so just because Jesus gave up a moment of discomfort this should be the "ultimate sacrifice"? So for you the sacrifice and what they are giving up is nothing compared to the reward, so if someone is giving up their life to save their family this is nothing to you?I think that you have a limited understanding of his sacrifice, I'm fully aware of the story of his "great" sacrifice and have had it shoved in my face over and OVER again. There is no disputing the fact that Jesus didn't give up anything to "save" us, he did not die, he did not lose anything but a moment of discomfort and to a god that lives at the start and end of time what is 30 years. What is a few days of "suffering" to a god that created all that is and all that was?
Now if Jesus really died now that would be a sacrifice, now can we be thankful that he gave up a second of his time to "save us" I guess so if you believe it but what did Jesus really sacrifice?
The funny thing is that Jesus did die. Therefore, he really did sacrifice.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
But for you Jesus just died because God doesn't exist, so Jesus died for nothing so it wasn't a sacrifice but died as a martyr.
I wouldn't say he died for nothing. If you look at the impact that he had on the human race over the last 2000 years; that it's nothing. However, I don't believe in the original sin, so there was nothing to be saved from.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonWhat he died for was nothing, he died for God to forgive man of his sin if you do not believe that God exists then he dided for nothing. What happened after that is not what he intended so he became a martyr for the "cause".
I wouldn't say he died for nothing. If you look at the impact that he had on the human race over the last 2000 years; that it's nothing. However, I don't believe in the original sin, so there was nothing to be saved from.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
What he died for was nothing, he died for God to forgive man of his sin if you do not believe that God exists then he dided for nothing. What happened after that is not what he intended so he became a martyr for the "cause".
That is what we are told he died for. He may have died for something completely different.
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Originally posted by Da Pittman
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Originally posted by JesusIsAliveNo God's brain took millions of years to make and the computer took only about 50 to surpass it 😉 and soon computers will be able to make brains and not only that better than God ever could.
The brain God created didn't take six thousand years, is organic, and is responsible for the creation of the first computer.Besides, computers don't make brains, brains make computers. So God still gets the glory and praise because He created the brain.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveWhy do you assume that God created man in one day, I still think that God created evolution which make perfect scence to me. A day is to God like a thousand years is to us and when God created man on the sixth day this could have very well been millions of years after all God is timeless is he not? I know that you take the bible for its word but it also does say that a day to God is not the same.
The brain God created didn't take six thousand years, is organic, and is responsible for the creation of the first computer.Besides, computers don't make brains, brains make computers. So God still gets the glory and praise because He created the brain.