Can you handle the Truth?

Started by MilitantDog432 pages
Originally posted by .😮U812:.
Why do you assume that God created man in one day, I still think that God created evolution which make perfect scence to me. A day is to God like a thousand years is to us and when God created man on the sixth day this could have very well been millions of years after all God is timeless is he not? I know that you take the bible for its word but it also does say that a day to God is not the same.

I have heard of Christians claiming evolution as Gods will (ID = evolution because God said so) and that the six days of creation aren't six actual days but rather six periods of creation.

All sounds like the losing side changing their "evidence" to suit the argument.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
I have heard of Christians claiming evolution as Gods will (ID = evolution because God said so) and that the six days of creation aren't six actual days but rather six periods of creation.

All sounds like the losing side changing their "evidence" to suit the argument.

Did you mean changing their argument to suit the evidence?

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Did you mean changing their argument to suit the evidence?

Of course he did but if he thought about it in the first place I doubt he would have written a post opposing evolution.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
I have heard of Christians claiming evolution as Gods will (ID = evolution because God said so) and that the six days of creation aren't six actual days but rather six periods of creation.

All sounds like the losing side changing their "evidence" to suit the argument.

I don't see much issue with that if you look at it from a theory level, Darwin came up with a theory that has been changed over time to reflect new discoveries and technology. I can see what this kid is saying (which I have also mentioned 😉 ) is that how in the bloody hell could man at that time understand abstract concepts such as existing outside of time and space, being the alpha and omega, being two places at once and so on.

I have less problems with the Bible if it is used as a "teaching" tool, when you think that the Bible is true word for word then I see some issues there.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The brain God created didn't take six thousand years, is organic, and is responsible for the creation of the first computer.

Besides, computers don't make brains, brains make computers. So God still gets the glory and praise because He created the brain.

The brain took hundreds of millions of years to get to were it is now, but it is still greater then any computer. Therefore, you get partial credit.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The brain took hundreds of millions of years to get to were it is now, but it is still greater then any computer. Therefore, you get partial credit.
Only for a few more years 😉

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Only for a few more years 😉

I work on a computer, and I know just how stupid they really are. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I work on a computer, and I know just how stupid they really are. 😉
I program computers and have worked in tech support and I would give the computer far more intelligence then the humans working on them. 😆

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I program computers and have worked in tech support and I would give the computer far more intelligence then the humans working on them. 😆

🙄 Just try designing a computer that programs its self. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
🙄 Just try designing a computer that programs its self. 😛
I've done that on a small scale web based program but I'm no computer genius but they have created "smart" programs that do write their own code. Right now it is pretty simple and will modify based on certain programed parameters but I wouldn't think it will be much longer before it can write new code.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The brain took hundreds of millions of years to get to were it is now, but it is still greater then any computer. Therefore, you get partial credit.

Takes quite a bit of faith to believe that.

Originally posted by SupezM'
Takes quite a bit of faith to believe that.

😐

Really?

Originally posted by SupezM'
Takes quite a bit of faith to believe that.

Not at all. You just have to stop believing in magic.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
😐

Really?

Well if you have little background in biology believing that would require a considerable amount of faith. Just because someone else has taken the time to prove something doesn't mean that people who agree aren't doing so entirely on faith.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well if you have little background in biology believing that would require a considerable amount of faith. Just because someone else has taken the time to prove something doesn't mean that people who agree aren't doing so entirely on faith.

I guess my faith is in the scientific community. I have faith that if someone comes up with a wrong idea, the scientific community will tear them to threads.

I see. I feel like I have enough a background in biology (even if it is mostly self-teaching and introductory level info) to follow the outlines of the arguments. So there's that.

“The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.” (Albert Einstein).

The misunderstanding here is due to a faulty translation of a German text, in particular the use of the word "mystical." I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.

What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of "humility." This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.

Albert Einstein

EDIT: or this one is good: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Table 1 – Cause for the Universe

Premise 1:
Whatever begins to exist must have a cause.

Premise 2:
The Universe began to exist.

Conclusion:
Therefore the Universe has a cause.

Appendix B – Universal Formation Probability

Table 2 – Probability for Universal and Earth Formation to Support Life

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Number
Parameter
Probability

1
galaxy size
0.1

2
galaxy type
0.1

3
galaxy location
0.1

4
star location relative to galactic center
0.2

5
star distance from closest spiral arm
0.1

6
z-axis extremes of star’s orbit
0.1

7
proximity of solar nebula to a supernova eruption
0.01

8
timing of solar nebula formation relative to supernova eruption
0.01

9
number of stars in system
0.2

10
star birth date
0.2

11
star age
0.4

12
star metallicity
0.05

13
star orbital eccentricity
0.1

14
star’s distance from galactic plane
0.1

15
star mass
0.001

16
star luminosity relative to speciation
0.0001

17
star color
0.4

18
H3+ production
0.1

19
supernovae rates & locations
0.01

20
white dwarf binary types, rates, & locations
0.01

21
planetary distance from star
0.001

22
inclination of planetary orbit
0.5

23
axis tilt of planet
0.3

24
rate of change of axial tilt
0.01

25
planetary rotation period
0.1

26
rate of change in planetary rotation period
0.05

27
planetary orbit eccentricity
0.3

28
surface gravity (escape velocity)
0.001

29
tidal force
0.1

30
magnetic field
0.01

31
albedo
0.1

32
density
0.1

33
thickness of crust
0.01

34
oceans-to-continents ratio
0.2

35
rate of change in oceans to continents ratio
0.1

36
global distribution of continents
0.3

37
frequency & extent of ice ages
0.1

38
asteroidal & cometary collision rate
0.1

39
change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates
0.1

40
mass of body colliding with primordial earth
0.002

41
timing of body colliding with primordial earth
0.05

42
rate of change in asteroid & comet collision rate
0.1

43
position & mass of Jupiter relative to Earth
0.01

44
major planet eccentricities
0.1

45
major planet orbital instabilities
0.1

46
drift and rate of drift in major planet distances
0.1

47
atmospheric transparency
0.01

48
atmospheric pressure
0.1

49
atmospheric electric discharge rate
0.1

50
atmospheric temperature gradient
0.01

51
carbon dioxide level in atmosphere
0.01

52
oxygen quantity in atmosphere
0.01

53
chlorine quantity in atmosphere
0.1

54
iron quantity in oceans
0.1

55
tropospheric ozone quantity
0.01

56
stratospheric ozone quantity
0.01

57
mesospheric ozone quantity
0.01

58
water vapor level in atmosphere
0.01

59
oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere
0.1

60
quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere
0.01

61
quantity of forest & grass fires
0.01

62
quantity of sea salt aerosols
0.1

63
soil mineralization
0.1

64
quantity of decomposer bacteria in soil
0.01

65
quantity of mycorrhizal fungi in soil
0.01

66
quantity of nitrifying microbes in soil
0.01

67
quantity of soil sulfur
0.1

68
quantity of sulfur in the life planet’s core
0.1

69
tectonic activity
0.1

70
rate of decline in tectonic activity
0.1

71
volcanic activity
0.1

72
rate of decline in volcanic activity
0.1

73
viscosity at Earth core boundaries
0.01

74
biomass to minicomet infall ratio
0.01

75
regularity of minicometary infall
0.1

Combined probability:
10^ -99

http://www.halozone.com/appologetics/god_big_bang.shtml#_Toc499567930

What say you Inimalist?

Originally posted by inimalist
The misunderstanding here is due to a faulty translation of a German text, in particular the use of the word "mystical." I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic.

What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of "humility." This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.

Albert Einstein

EDIT: or this one is good: "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

👆

Some more good quotes

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm