Can you handle the Truth?

I mean "evolve" in terms of "from how the universe started to where it is now" not biological evolution. Here, here's an analogy for the point i'm trying to make:

Let's say we have one of these things

Okay, now imagine instead of it being a bell curve, each option had equal probability. And instead of four options, there's 10^1,000,000,000 options. Now, the odds of a ball landing in a specific hole are ridiculously low. However, the odds that the balls will land in A hole are 100%.

Now, each hole in this metaphor is a possible state of the universe. Lets say hole 1,664,443 is the one we're having this conversation in. Now, things could have turned out way differently. We could have been in hole 1,667,345. But each one is no more unlikely than any other one. The ball HAS to land in one of the holes, even if the odds are a billion zeros in the decimal. So if the ball landed in hole 1,664,443, don't think it was impossible. Even if it had landed in a different hole, the ball would still think it must have been design because of how unlikely the outcome was.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Side note: Dr. Carl Sagan of Cornell University convincingly demonstrated that the probability of life arising through the slow process of evolution is for all practical intents and purposes zero (exceedingly, exceedingly improbable. Don't believe me look it up under Borel's Law. It is followed by two billion zeros).

I could care less about the rest of your statement, mainly because you're argument consists of ctrl-v from non-credible sources and basic philisophical arguments, which get you nowhere in a scientific discussion. Not to mention VenomFangX is a narcissistic whob who can't handle having his ass handed to him in the comments section, which is why he disables comments. If this is the best you can come up with as a credible source, then I'm afraid that's the most pitifully hilarious thing ever.

Concerning the above quote, read Cosmos, by Carl Sagan.

Austrilopithecus ownz u.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
I could care less about the rest of your statement, mainly because you're argument consists of ctrl-v from non-credible sources and basic philisophical arguments, which get you nowhere in a scientific discussion. Not to mention VenomFangX is a narcissistic whob who can't handle having his ass handed to him in the comments section, which is why he disables comments. If this is the best you can come up with as a credible source, then I'm afraid that's the most pitifully hilarious thing ever.

Concerning the above quote, read Cosmos, by Carl Sagan.

Austrilopithecus ownz u.

Dr. Carl Sagan's own stats refute the probability of evolution occurring (two billion zeros).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Dr. Carl Sagan's own stats refute the probability of evolution occurring (two billion zeros).

You didn't read it did you? That's ok, I kind of guessed that the probability of you reading it would be 0.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Dr. Carl Sagan's own stats refute the probability of evolution occurring (two billion zeros).

from only 3 pages back:

Originally posted by inimalist
not much...

statistics are pretty manipulable. For instance, the actual probability of the formation of Earth for life is 1. it happened.

also, you can interpret the statistical probability of events in many ways. I check KMC every day, so it could be said there is a close to 1 probability that I would check KMC today. However, if we look at every event that occurred between me waking up and writing this response, figured out the probability of them happening, in that order, we would see that it is practically impossible that the events that occurred to sit me at my computer this morning actually happened.

probabilities are only worthwhile when trying to explain future predictions. They are useless when describing past events, as the probability of anything in the past, which has occurred, occurring is 1, and the probability of things which didn't occur is 0.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Dr. Carl Sagan's own stats refute the probability of evolution occurring (two billion zeros).

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Carl Sagan

If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?
Carl Sagan

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Carl Sagan

JIA you have said there is a supernatural. That sounds like an extraordinary claims.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
predictability and quantifyability is a constant inside AND outside this universe in the entire multiverse so yes it does for a FACT. it isnt organised or finely tuned, these words have no meaning, you only find this reality organised and finely tuned because your only familiar with this one, the consistancy of the fundamental constants is true in ALL universe, even when they are different from ours, so they are JUST as fine tuned and ORGANISED as ours. s as for the last part, WE werent born IN the universe or just happened to be PUT in it{as your mind reasons based on christian/egotistical ideas} we are born OF it. and only the universe having the proper constants would have born life. your argument fails because you are thinking that we sumhow exist seperately from this universe and then you go on to question the probability of the chance that we would be born into sumthing that woul sustain us so well. the point is you didnt EXIST before or outside this universe, this universe bore you BECAUSE it had the constants to sustain you, there is no coincidence here.

your analogy is similar to a single plant growing surrounded by a hostile lifeless desert in the only place which had water dripping from a rock and a tiny shade. who question whether sum1 specifically created it, because "it" cant understand why "it" got so lucky. ofcourse, luck would mean that he was actually around before being born to be placed at random places and THEN it happened to end up in that oppurtune place. which is wrong ofcourse, only one plant cud grow in that area, and that plant WAS it and "it" came to be because that one seed took root there.

as for the evolution statistics, you are not only misinformed, you are also being hypocritical and quoting only from creationist propganda. according to the christian mythos, exactly TWO human beings are responsible for the genetic code of the entire human race. now how do you account for skin colour/physicality/height/fatial and body features/body heair etc CHANGING to fit the needs of the surrounding as people begin to populate all corners of the earth?!!?!!?! {even assuming it was 4-6 thousand years ago that the world was made} see then creationists go on to say that it is microevolution. but even if you inevitably have to admit that, you are COMPLETELY destroying the argument of dr carl sagan! as you have ACCEPTED that evolution CAN infact account for significantly beneficialchanges in the genome in just a few thousand years{as opposed to the billions of years this earth has beem around with favourable habitat}. {and if ou further beleive in the 4-6 thousand year old earth than you are fastening the rate of OBSERVABLE evolution up a thousand fold}. so it is EXTREMELY hypocritical to deny evolution by quoting extracts saying that the probability for evolution producing us is zero even in billions of years and then also accepting micro evolution and the genesis version of events with adam and eve.

just reminding you that you can either choose to go by one out of context, propagandist statement from carl sagan, or you can choose to follow the fundamentals of christianity. you cant have it both ways my friend. either beleive that the probability is too low to be realistic, and choose to deny even micro evolution, which leads to denying of adam and eve creating humanity. OR choose to beleive that carl sagan IS wrong here{in this context which YOU have given} and there WAS enough time for micro evolution to happen in the last 4000-6000 years and assume that all of humanity CAN come from adam and eve.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
You didn't read it did you? That's ok, I kind of guessed that the probability of you reading it would be 0.

I'm surrounded by too many zeros.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I'm surrounded by too many zeros.

Well if all these numbers are hurting your head, maybe you shouldn't argue statistics. Correction: maybe you shouldn't present someone else's argument that you agree with, if the subject of that argument makes your head hurt.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
just reminding you that you can either choose to go by one out of context, propagandist statement from carl sagan, or you can choose to follow the fundamentals of christianity. you cant have it both ways my friend. either beleive that the probability is too low to be realistic, and choose to deny even micro evolution, which leads to denying of adam and eve creating humanity. OR choose to beleive that carl sagan IS wrong here{in this context which YOU have given} and there WAS enough time for micro evolution to happen in the last 4000-6000 years and assume that all of humanity CAN come from adam and eve.

All humanity descended from Adam and Eve. There was plenty of time for this to occur.

Carl Sagan's stats are firm. As I have aforesaid, evolution couldn't have happened. These are the facts.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Well if all these numbers are hurting your head, maybe you shouldn't argue statistics. Correction: maybe you shouldn't present someone else's argument that you agree with, if the subject of that argument makes your head hurt.

Getting ready to lay it down. But I will perhaps read it tomorrow.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
All humanity descended from Adam and Eve. There was plenty of time for this to occur.

Carl Sagan's stats are firm. As I have aforesaid, evolution couldn't have happened. These are the facts.

then how do you account for humanity, which has all descended from adam and eve to come to posess characteristic skin colour, hair colour/distribution and texture, height, facial features{e.g. nose width}, need for water, symmetry etc, which ALL come to benefit them in the specific geographical area they live in. seeing as benefitial evolution can not happen even in billions of years let alone a few thousand, as you beleive. i mean cmon, adam and eve cud only have given their chidlren, two specific phenotypes of physical properties. just try answering this one JIA.

ps, your delusional yet again and are failing miserably at counterarguments.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
then how do you account for humanity, which has all descended from adam and eve to come to posess characteristic skin colour, hair colour/distribution and texture, height, facial features{e.g. nose width}, need for water, symmetry etc, which ALL come to benefit them in the specific geographical area they live in. seeing as benefitial evolution can not happen even in billions of years let alone a few thousand, as you beleive. i mean cmon, adam and eve cud only have given their chidlren, two specific phenotypes of physical properties. just try answering this one JIA.

ps, your delusional yet again and are failing miserably at counterarguments.

Do you mind if I leave you with this? This discussion cannot go on indefinitely (although I wish that it could). See 10:00 in the clip.

YouTube video

http://www.gotquestions.org/different-races.html

oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao!!!!!!!!! you really have OUTDONE yourself this time jia!!!!

exhibit 1. "It is possible that God made genetic changes to humanity to better enable people to survive in different ecologies, such as Africans being better equipped genetically to survive the excessive heat in Africa. According to this view, God confused the languages, causing humanity to segregate linguistically, and then created genetic racial differences based on where each racial group would eventually settle, geographically"

so god miraculously changed the skin colours and lingistic preferences of people as the popultaion grew on earth?! you were better off just saying "MAGIC"! this is an unscientific argument with now evidence

exhibit 2. "After the flood, when the different languages came into existence, groups that spoke one language moved away with others of the same language. In doing so, the gene pool for a specific group shrunk dramatically as they no longer had the entire human population to mix with. Closer inbreeding took place, and in time certain features were emphasized in these different groups (all of which were present as a possibility in the gene code). As further inbreeding occurred through the generations, the gene pool got smaller and smaller, to the point that people of one language family all had the same or similar features, and it would be a rarity when a different feature arose."

lol, there could only have BEEN two genotypes since every1 came from adam and eve. ths authors of this crap know NOTHING about genetics. and the races did not come from FAMILIES

exhibit 3. "Another explanation is that Adam and Eve possessed the genes to produce black, brown, and white offspring (and everything else in between). This would be similar to how a mixed-race couple often has children that vary greatly in color from one another. Since God obviously desired humanity to be diverse in appearance, it makes sense that God would have given Adam and Eve the ability to produce children of different skin tones. Later, the only survivors of the flood were Noah and his wife, Noah’s three sons and their wives—eight people in all (Genesis 7:13). Perhaps Shem’s, Ham’s, or Japheth’s wives were of different races. It is possible that Noah’s wife was of a different race than Noah. Maybe all eight of them were of mixed race, which would mean that they possessed the genetics to produce children of different races."

perhaps they never took high school biology, but not only would adam and eve be PUREBRED, having a homozygous pair of chromosomes. even IF they had a hetrozygous pair, the possible combinations would be exactly FOUR! for every trait. NOW, HOW many different alleales exist of the same gene all around the world?!?!?! usually HUNDREDS!!!!

go on jia, tell me where these alleales came from. no bullshit, no beating around the bush, just a simple answer. WHERE did these come from?

If you look at it this way Eve was created by the rib of Adam so she should have Adam's DNA so she would have been more of a daughter to Adam than a wife. The Bible doesn't say that God gave different DNA to Eve and since the Bible didn't say that it happened (using JIA's logic) then it has to be so, so Adam had sex with his own offspring.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
All humanity descended from Adam and Eve. There was plenty of time for this to occur.

Carl Sagan's stats are firm. As I have aforesaid, evolution couldn't have happened. These are the facts.

If the human race had come from just two people, then their children would have had to marry each other. By now the human race would have died out because of inner breading. The facts are that Adam and Eve are just part of a story, and nothing more.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If the human race had come from just two people, then their children would have had to marry each other. By now the human race would have died out because of inner breading. The facts are that Adam and Eve are just part of a story, and nothing more.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I was reading up on this about how Adam and Eve could have fathered the human race from some religious website and they say that because God created them and said that they were "good" that they didn't have the flaws that us regular folk have. So that they could breed with each other without producing genetic problems and that it took generations and the introduction of evil to cause this. Gave me a pretty good 😆

Magic can be fun. 😆

Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao!!!!!!!!! you really have OUTDONE yourself this time jia!!!!

exhibit 1. "It is possible that God made genetic changes to humanity to better enable people to survive in different ecologies, such as Africans being better equipped genetically to survive the excessive heat in Africa. According to this view, God confused the languages, causing humanity to segregate linguistically, and then created genetic racial differences based on where each racial group would eventually settle, geographically"

so god miraculously changed the skin colours and lingistic preferences of people as the popultaion grew on earth?! you were better off just saying "MAGIC"! this is an unscientific argument with now evidence

exhibit 2. "After the flood, when the different languages came into existence, groups that spoke one language moved away with others of the same language. In doing so, the gene pool for a specific group shrunk dramatically as they no longer had the entire human population to mix with. Closer inbreeding took place, and in time certain features were emphasized in these different groups (all of which were present as a possibility in the gene code). As further inbreeding occurred through the generations, the gene pool got smaller and smaller, to the point that people of one language family all had the same or similar features, and it would be a rarity when a different feature arose."

lol, there could only have BEEN two genotypes since every1 came from adam and eve. ths authors of this crap know NOTHING about genetics. and the races did not come from FAMILIES

exhibit 3. "Another explanation is that Adam and Eve possessed the genes to produce black, brown, and white offspring (and everything else in between). This would be similar to how a mixed-race couple often has children that vary greatly in color from one another. Since God obviously desired humanity to be diverse in appearance, it makes sense that God would have given Adam and Eve the ability to produce children of different skin tones. Later, the only survivors of the flood were Noah and his wife, Noah’s three sons and their wives—eight people in all (Genesis 7:13). Perhaps Shem’s, Ham’s, or Japheth’s wives were of different races. It is possible that Noah’s wife was of a different race than Noah. Maybe all eight of them were of mixed race, which would mean that they possessed the genetics to produce children of different races."

perhaps they never took high school biology, but not only would adam and eve be PUREBRED, having a homozygous pair of chromosomes. even IF they had a hetrozygous pair, the possible combinations would be exactly FOUR! for every trait. NOW, HOW many different alleales exist of the same gene all around the world?!?!?! usually HUNDREDS!!!!

go on jia, tell me where these alleales came from. no bullshit, no beating around the bush, just a simple answer. WHERE did these come from?

God doesn't use magic that is the description of occult power. His power is just that His power.

You totally ignored the part in the video that proves that the human race could have descended from Adam and Eve in 6,000 years of history.

Question: which is harder to believe, that all life came from a rock (this violates the law of biogenesis) or that all life came from two people (which is abundantly possible)?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

God doesn't use magic that is the description of occult power. His power is just that His power...

Magic does not exist, therefore all there that exists is natural.