Why all the pop hate?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Go on, then.

Or are you afraid you've looked before you've leapt and got it completely wrong? Or better yet, instead of yapping at my ankles like a puppy, why don't you apply yourself to the debate at hand? Do you agree with everything Epibites is saying? You clearly said you didn't before.

nailed it! is psychology your profession? it should be!

i've said my piece. we all have. i'm just glad i got a little nugget of AC gold out of the deal. where do those nuggets come from, anyway?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's still their OPINION. Do you not grasp that?

And I still think you need to think about the differnce between subjective taste and opinion. You can't help what your taste is, but you can help your opinion is.

Originally posted by manorastroman
nailed it! is psychology your profession? it should be!

i've said my piece. we all have. i'm just glad i got a little nugget of AC gold out of the deal. where do those nuggets come from, anyway?

Either say it or bail out. Because I've reduced you to nothing more than blabbering about ME now.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'm right. You're wrong.

Haha, the plight of the loser.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'm right. You're wrong. Live with it. Some people's opinions are more worthy than others...that's what you gotta understand.

They are STILL opinion. That's what YOU have to understand.

As long as they are opinion, they will NEVER be truth, NEVER be fact, NEVER be objective.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Either say it or bail out. Because I've reduced you to nothing more than blabbering about ME now.

-AC

say what?

To quote Hannibal Lecter; "If you can't keep up, you'll have to sit at the kiddy table.".

In fact, *Hands you a red, shiny ball.*, play with this.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They are STILL opinion. That's what YOU have to understand.

As long as they are opinion, they will NEVER be truth, NEVER be fact, NEVER be objective.

-AC

I'm right. You're wrong. Because you're still confusing taste with opinion.

As long as you'll keep from seperating the two, you'll never be able to look at music apart from being subjective.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Fact no...truth yes.

I'm right.

You're still confusing taste with opinion.

fact

Something that actually exists; reality; truth.

Go home, kid.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
To quote Hannibal Lecter; "If you can't keep up, you'll have to sit at the kiddy table.".

In fact, *Hands you a red, shiny ball.*, play with this.

-AC

either answer me or bail out, because i've reduced you to blathering on about me at this point.

If you can do no more than claim you have one of my nuggets (Odd, if you ask me.), then either show us what this supposed irony is, or stop saying it, as I said before and you couldn't keep up with.

-AC

Oh, I remember this.

Fact!

Fact!

😛

I'll be waiting for some on topic discussion.

Anyone feel free to join in.

-AC

Relax AC. You take this stuff too seriously.

I disagree with you about the basis of my argument. Why is it so impossible for you to live with that?

...or live with most things people disgree with you about?

Why do you assume I'm having trouble living with it? We're in a thread discussing it, so I'm discussing it.

You have trouble with it being wrong, which I constantly and undeniably prove. You just tried to argue with the dictionary by saying fact isn't truth, I proved you wrong again. So if living in ignorance of the differences between fact and opinion, objectivity and subjectivity makes you happy, then do so, just don't expect your arguments to be treated with respect, and don't act like we're the ones misunderstanding you when overwhelming proof is against you.

That's all I'm saying.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you can do no more than claim you have one of my nuggets (Odd, if you ask me.), then either show us what this supposed irony is, or stop saying it, as I said before and you couldn't keep up with.

-AC

ah that! well i found it rather self-evident, but i guess we can't all sit at the big kids table.

you are among the least understanding, least accomodating people on this board. i found it ironic that you would berate me for taking the majority stance on the subject. and with a statement not only violating itself (coming to an understanding would imply a majority, wouldn't it) but violating your entire persona and debate style.

Originally posted by manorastroman
you are among the least understanding, least accomodating people on this board. i found it ironic that you would berate me for taking the majority stance with a statement not only violating itself (coming to an understanding would imply a majority, wouldn't it) but violating your entire persona and debate style.

You confuse being articulate and clear enough to coincide with messageboard etiquette and courtesy, with accomodating to and catering FOR, the members here. Courtesy and etiquette is typing in a readable manner, making coherent points and clearing up misunderstandings. Catering for is accepting incorrect claims, stances and views simply because you "get" what they mean.

I get what it means to say "This is crap!", but it doesn't retract from the fact that it's cutting corners and a lazy way of essentially saying "This isn't as credible.", where you find it hard to tell the difference between credibility and quality.

I did just say that the reason why you might not be so keen to say it is because you didn't look before you leapt, and I was right.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
So if living in ignorance of the differences between fact and opinion, objectivity and subjectivity makes you happy, then do so, just don't expect your arguments to be treated with respect, and don't act like we're the ones misunderstanding you when overwhelming proof is against you.

You don't. So we disgree. End of story.

And although I may not have been as respectful with you as I could have been in the past, I've made an effort to tone it down.

You still call people "idiots" left, right, and centre.

You should respect people no matter what their opinion.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Well. I think truths exists regardless of being proven factually. That's where my argument lies.

You don't. We disgree. End of story.

That's a stupid, illogical and ridiculous argument as everything points to you being wrong, factually. This is precisely why it's silly and discourteous for you to debate from such a point.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You still call people "idiots" left, right, and centre.

You should respect people no matter what their opinion.

If you act like an idiot I'll call you one.

Respect is earned. If you haven't earned mine, you won't get it. I don't owe you respect. Like I said, if you want your opinion to be respected, stop saying shit like:

"I think truths exists regardless of being proven factually.".

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You confuse being articulate and clear enough to coincide with messageboard etiquette and courtesy, with accomodating to and catering FOR, the members here. Courtesy and etiquette is typing in a readable manner, making coherent points and clearing up misunderstandings. Catering for is accepting incorrect claims, stances and views simply because you "get" what they mean.

I get what it means to say "This is crap!", but it doesn't retract from the fact that it's cutting corners and a lazy way of essentially saying "This isn't as credible.", where you find it hard to tell the difference between credibility and quality.

I did just say that the reason why you might not be so keen to say it is because you didn't look before you leapt, and I was right.

-AC

you know, people with even a blue-collar knowledge of debating as an art see you like glass. this might be why whirly used to have such a blast with you.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If you act like an idiot I'll call you one.

Respect is earned. If you haven't earned mine, you won't get it. I don't owe you respect. Like I said, if you want your opinion to be respected, stop saying shit like:

"I think truths exists regardless of being proven factually.".

-AC

Please.

Just 'casue you can't prove something, doesn't mean it's not true.