Why all the pop hate?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Taking a philosophy course? Why? Taste is subjective, entirely and factually.

I'm not talking about taste.

You can't help your taste. Your taste is what it is.

You like pizza...

...blonde girls

...Nickleback

...the colour blue

...whatever!

It'd be stupid to say, "you're dumb becasue you like Paris Hilton's new album".

But you can say, "Paris Hilton's new album isn't actually good music...and as it turns out, what you happen to like is actually pretty bad...sorry."

Some people are cool with that. Most people aren't. That's why most people like you want to maintain that music's just simply subjective and down to taste.

Good on ya then. That way, no one can suggest a band or artist you like actually sucks.

And it's me who wants to live in his own universe?

...please.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
But you can say, "Paris Hilton's new album isn't actually good music...and as it turns out, what you happen to like is actually pretty bad music."

It's not about taste...but about what people happen to like, and whether it's good or bad? Makes a grand total of 0% sense doesn't it?

Of course it's about taste, it has to be because there is NO SUCH THING as objectively good or bad music, so no, you can't say that and have it be true.

-AC

Yeah. It's not about taste. Taste means squat. And it's not about proving truths as facts. Facts can't prove everything. It's clear you'll never get my points.

manorastroman seems to getsmy points. You don't.

So why don't you just transform and roll out of here? 😆

Just kidding dude.

...and Avril doesn't suck.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah. It's not about taste. Taste means squat. And it's not about proving truths as facts. Facts can't prove everything. It's clear you'll never get my points.

What the hell are you talking about you idiot? Of course it's about taste. It's about taste because it's about what people like. You cannot tell someone they like factually bad music, because there is no such thing.

Facts prove what is true, anything else is opinion, which is what taste and musical perception are. OPINION.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
manorastroman seems to getsmy points. You don't.

I do get them, they're just stupid.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
So why don't you just transform and roll out of here? 😆

Oh yeah, like my sig.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You cannot tell someone they like factually bad music, because there is no such thing.

I say this because I think truth exists apart from fact.

You don't agree.

Fine.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Yeah, but you can tell them they like truly bad music.

I say this because I think truth exists apart from fact.

You don't agree.

Fine.

Precisely, your whole argument is based around something you believe. This would be fine if it wasn't wrong (Objectively.) and stupid (Subjectively.).

Truth does not exist apart from fact. If it cannot be proven beyond all deniability, it isn't A truth. You do not have the right to change that, you cannot change parts of existence.

-AC

AC. Give it up!

Nowhere are you proving what I believe is wrong. You can't. You can't prove killing isn't wrong...so does that mean it's alright just becasue you can't prove it's wrong by using facts?

I say you're wrong. Live with it.

...and, oh yeah...

Smack that!

All on the floor

Smack that!

Give me some more

Smack that!

'Till you get sore

Smack that!

Oh-oooh!

x2

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
AC. Give it up!

Nowhere are you proving what I believe isn't true. You can't. You can't PROVE killing isn't wrong...does that mean it's alright?

How silly. Morals are subjective, so I can't prove killing is wrong or right. Like taste, not wrong or right. Nobody likes factually good or bad music.

You are the one with the burden of proof, not me. I've proven you incorrect with your argument, and your stupid "Truth is different." argument is self-defeating by definition.

I've proven all that I've claimed. You haven't proven anything, you can't, you've admitted such. So it's basically just an airless belief that you are cowardly to hold, because you know you can't prove it.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I say you're wrong. Live with it.

Live with being wrong and you've got a deal.

-AC

Who's talking about morals?

I'm talking about the universal truth that killing is wrong.

I think it exists.

You don't.

And that's why we disgree about their being truly good and bad music.

End of discussion.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Who's talking about morals?

You were, when you spoke of killing being wrong or right.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'm talking about the universal truth that killing is wrong.

Go on...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I think it exists.

Continue...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You don't.

Clever boy. So think about this, if truths are undeniable, which they are, how can we disagree if one exists or not? It either does or doesn't. The very fact that someone can deny killing being wrong proves that there is no universal truth that killing is wrong, as it cannot be proven either way.

The same applies to music. The very fact that anybody can say "This music is good/bad." proves that there is no universal truth BESIDES the one that taste is entirely subjective and, as a result, there is no factually good or bad music.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
That's why we disgree about their being truly good and bad music.

End of discussion.

No, you're a fool who doesn't understand the difference between truth, fact, opinion and objectivity.

That's just the way it is.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Who's talking about morals?

I'm talking about the universal truth that killing is wrong.

I think it exists.

You don't.

And that's why we disgree about their being truly good and bad music.

End of discussion.

Either reply properly or not at all.

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Smack that!

All on the floor

Smack that!

Give me some more

Smack that!

'Till you get sore

Smack that!

Oh-oooh!

x2

Continue and I'll be forced to take that as an admission of "I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong."...

-AC

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Who's talking about morals?

I'm talking about the universal truth that killing is wrong.

I think it exists.

You don't.

And that's why we disgree about their being truly good and bad music.

End of discussion.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Smack that!

All on the floor

Smack that!

Give me some more

Smack that!

'Till you get sore

Smack that!

Oh-oooh!

x2

Fair enough, if sensible debate is beyond you.

-AC

Originally posted by vintageSW77
or just a total weariness of listening to pricks going on about how ****ing fantastic they are e.g Sean ****ing Diddy ****ing Jean or whatever name the dicks call him by this week
its all about RnB and **** all else is pop nowadays
even Gwen Stefani who i would say made a brilliant pop song in WHAT YOU WAITING FOR had to go and jump on the bandwagon and get that nightmare AKON involved in her latest track which from what i hear wasnt even worth the no dout shitload of $$$ she paid for the pleasure

Yeah, she was excellent until Akon. He ruined the magic. The excellent magic.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
AC. Give it up!

Nowhere are you proving what I believe is wrong. You can't. You can't prove killing isn't wrong...so does that mean it's alright just becasue you can't prove it's wrong by using facts?

I say you're wrong. Live with it.

You're an absolute idiot. I hate Lilly Allen etc. So am I factually wrong or right in assessment of this? There is no right or wrong, cretin. People like different types of music because people have different tastes, not because music is divided into bad music and good music. Yes we all do this in our minds and this is done because of taste not fact.

Wow.

Try reading some of the earlier posts before blindly jumping and calling people idiots and cretins.

Very civilized of you!

You liking or hating something has nothing to do with being right or wrong about it being good or bad. It's just your taste. Again, try reading my posts where I show in detail how taste has nothing to do with determining what's good or bad. You can't help what your taste is...but you can help what your opinion of what's good or bad is.

So back to your question (which doesn't really make sense)...yes, you would be wrong (although not factually) if you were to say Lily Allen is bad music.

But again, it has nothing to do with you liking it or not, it has everything to do with it having a number of redeemable qualities that truly bad music (such as Brittney) doesn't have.