Muhammed- The Peadophile

Originally posted by Willaume
Irregardless of what you believe, you should not attack someone else's beliefs. Take a look at local (i.e., Christian) history: In my opinion, Jesus says naught else but that any good followers of God should have peace with all, friend or foe, but look how His words (and those of the patriarchal Old Testament) have been turned around in order to justify genocide in both the past and the near-past.

That being said, this thread appears to have been spiralling into chaos since the first post....

Well perhaps if you bothered to follow up my post, you would spare us me repeting myself 10 billion times. But since you're too busy climbing on a PC train, to read the forum, I'll give you the gist.

I am NOT attacking beliefs. You wanna believe in faries? Fine. Believe in STONES if you like, as long as you don't throw them at ME.

I am not attacking anyone's BELIEFS, I am stating the FACTS from the Islamic sources, which are used to kill, subdue and humiliate Muslims and non-Muslims alike, around the world.

''Its ok to sleep with a 9 year old'' is not a religious belief. Its a pedophilia.

''slay non-muslims wherever you find them'' is not a religious belif, its a discriminatory political brainwashing desgusied as words of God.

Bet a grip.

What you believe about Jesus is irrelevant. Your speculations on Jesus are irrelevant, since in case you hadn't noticed NOONE IS SPECULATING.

We are showing the facts.

However, lil would be happy to remind you that Muhammed was "dirty" and to reccomend that you read some "brilliant" authors whose extreme conservative credentials have raised serious questions about the validity their work.

She'd also like to remind you that anythign western is inherently evil and that if you try to be PC or objective, your an ignoramous and a waste to society.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well perhaps if you bothered to follow up my post, you would spare us me repeting myself 10 billion times. But since you're too busy climbing on a PC train, to read the forum, I'll give you the gist.

I am NOT attacking beliefs. You wanna believe in faries? Fine. Believe in STONES if you like, as long as you don't throw them at ME.

I am not attacking anyone's BELIEFS, I am stating the FACTS from the Islamic sources, which are used to kill, subdue and humiliate Muslims and non-Muslims alike, around the world.

''Its ok to sleep with a 9 year old'' is not a religious belief. Its a pedophilia.

''slay non-muslims wherever you find them'' is not a religious belif, its a discriminatory political brainwashing desgusied as words of God.

Bet a grip.

What you believe about Jesus is irrelevant. Your speculations on Jesus are irrelevant, since in case you hadn't noticed NOONE IS SPECULATING.

We are showing the facts.

Sure, I'll "bet a grip." 😛

I'm sorry to make you feel so hostile, but by your very words you attack the Islam religions. Stating what you say are "facts" against a religion is practically condemning it.

That being said, I never said I agreed with what the others have said in this thread. I believe that having sex with nine year-olds is unacceptable, and if it is not pædophilia, then it is child molestation.

I have to point out, however, that although many Muslims apparently take the Hadith to be the "Word of God," this would appear to be a misconception, as Islamic_Cleric posted.

Since I am no scholar of Islam, I shall seek further information on this subject. Perhaps some of my contemporaries will be able to enlighten me further.

EDIT: I didn't speculate on Jesus the Christ; I clearly spoke only of Christianity and its bloody past in order to demonstrate that all religions, even if they start out in a non-violent manner, often turn so.

And, by the way, anyone who has actually read the Bible knows that I speak at least some truth.

Originally posted by Alliance
Homosexuality is two things...an essence of your being, and a type of action you commit.

If you are religious, that is likely not going to change, if ever. Thus is the same with homosexuality. You will always feel religious desires.

However, just because one is homosexual, does not mean that one exclusive engages in homosexual acts. If one is religious, I'd argue that one will ALWAYS have a religion, Islam or anyhting else. If one CHOOSES Islam as ones religion, it can become something as essential to a person as their sexuality.

Religion may not be a chioce any more that sexuality is. Also, Islam is harmless...I don't see 1.4 billion terrorist running around. Honestly, when I'm on this psychotic forum, I feel like I'm on stormfront.

1) Religion is a choice, so don't try pulling that card. I have never heard a religious person on KMC claim that they didn't choose thier Faith and Religion. They all will argue that they have.

2) A religion is a big part of many people (those who are actually religious, and don't just call themselves religious), but it's not a physical part of them they way thier sexuality is.

3) You are wrong to argue that if one is religious, they always will be. I was religious for 18 years, then became Atheist....

Originally posted by Alliance
As far as agression goes, I seem to see much more western governmental aggression than that from the government in the Middle east. And do the few "ardent' (which apparently means that if you are religious or spiritual you automatically become a terrorist) followers of Islam actually represent what the religion is? Hell no.

Neither do the peaceful Muslims. Every Muslim will pick and choose what parts of the Quran they rather abide by. Same with Christians.

That is not what is at discussion here. IT is Muhammed I am questioning, as well as the Quran itself.

Islamic people are not being antagonized here.

Originally posted by Alliance
haermm Apperntly you know shit about Greece too....superior? Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. This is my official position as a student of ancient history.

In many city states of Ancient Greece, sexual intimacy between an older man and younger boy were considered far superior to sexual intimacy between an adult man and woman.

Homosexuality between two elder men, was however, ridiculed.

In Ancient Greece, sex was about submission and power. Ancient Greek Society constructed the "norms" of sex to be between a dominant and submissive partner.

If a male Greek had sex with a woman, that was considered normal, but not revered. Women were seen as inferior to men, and the only justification for having sex with a woman was pro-creation.

Ever since the myth of Pandora's box, women were seen as deceptive, cunning, and impure.

Young boys were seen as beautiful, majestic, and clean. For an older man to have sex with a younger boy was an honor, because:

1) Men were considered superior

2) Young boys, especially at age 19, were at the so-called "peek of perfection".

To have sex with a younger boy was considered greater than sex with a woman.

All people who study Ancient Greek History know this. I know what I am talking about, I've obsessed over this shit for years.

Originally posted by Alliance
Its clear that all you need to get into an Islamaphobes pants is Islamophbia. Good job Kali, you are now a minon of the ignorant and xenophobic right.

Ahh shut the f*ck up 👇

You see what you choose to see, and ignore your own hypocrisy....get outta here.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Quiero has always done that....that is why I no longer pm him or address him.

He has sided with sithsaber about how he thinks homosexuality is wrong, disgusting, abnormal, and unnatural. But then he says he doesn't hate Gay people 🙄

He is okay with The Quran's law about killing Gays, because that is Law..as he so puts it.

Quiero is very defensive of Christianity and Islam, because he is an admirer of the concept of God, and it is deep integrated into his upbringing and culture. I am fine with that. But I find it hypocritical that he thinks it is okay to attack homosexuality and still be free from being labelled a homophobe, but when I attack Islam, im suddenly "islamophobic"

On top of that, he is trying to argue that my disrespect for the Quran is equivalent to a homophobe's hate of homosexual people, but when I earlier argued that Homophobia is the same as Racism, he disagreed and said that Racism is far worse than Homophobia.

He, like Alliance, is a fkn hypocrite 👇

Alliance, the other one 👇

Alliance has attacked Buddhism and Christianity, not only the practice, but the texts as well. He then claims he does not hate Christians or Buddhists. But when I attack the Quran, the concentration of violence done in the Middle East under Quran Law, and Muhammed himself, he goes ballistic and labels me a bigot.....

Right, Alliance...and what about your attacks on Buddhism and Christianity ? Ur somehow not a bigot ? Are you exempt ? 🙄

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
1) Religion is a choice, so don't try pulling that card. I have never heard a religious person on KMC claim that they didn't choose thier Faith and Religion. They all will argue that they have.

Can you even read? A persons RELIGION may be changed, but its not necesserily a choice. A persons FAITH may not be someones choice at all.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
2) A religion is a big part of many people (those who are actually religious, and don't just call themselves religious), but it's not a physical part of them they way thier sexuality is.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
3) You are wrong to argue that if one is religious, they always will be. I was religious for 18 years, then became Atheist....

Then clearly you were "religious" and not faitful.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Neither do the peaceful Muslims. Every Muslim will pick and choose what parts of the Quran they rather abide by. Same with Christians.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Islamic people are not being antagonized here.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Ahh shut the f*ck up 👇

The only two people deserving of this comment are you an Lil. You are blind and you are ignornat.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
All people who study Ancient Greek History know this. I know what I am talking about, I've obsessed over this shit for years.

While we all know your obessive nature, what you spew is BS. Homosexualty was considered natural and acceptable in ancient Greece, but it was not considered superior to normal sex or a higher form of sex. Real historicans and not hormonal sex crazed teenagers understand this. Try reading sources instead of BS websites.

Originally posted by Alliance
However, lil would be happy to remind you that Muhammed was "dirty" and to reccomend that you read some "brilliant" authors whose extreme conservative credentials have raised serious questions about the validity their work.

She'd also like to remind you that anythign western is inherently evil and that if you try to be PC or objective, your an ignoramous and a waste to society.

Originally posted by Willaume
Sure, I'll "bet a grip." 😛

I'm sorry to make you feel so hostile, but by your very words you attack the Islam religions. Stating what you say are "facts" against a religion is practically condemning it.

That being said, I never said I agreed with what the others have said in this thread. I believe that having sex with nine year-olds is unacceptable, and if it is not pædophilia, then it is child molestation.

I have to point out, however, that although many Muslims apparently take the Hadith to be the "Word of God," this would appear to be a misconception, as Islamic_Cleric posted.

Since I am no scholar of Islam, I shall seek further information on this subject. Perhaps some of my contemporaries will be able to enlighten me further.

EDIT: I didn't speculate on Jesus the Christ; I clearly spoke only of Christianity and its bloody past in order to demonstrate that all religions, even if they start out in a non-violent manner, often turn so.

And, by the way, anyone who has actually read the Bible knows that I speak at least some truth.

- qur'an refers to many things which were well known in pagan Arabia. Explanation required was to be found in Hadiths.
- Hadith is everything there is to be found on the practices by Rasul Allah Al-insan al-kamil.
It is an example to be followed.

Rasul allah tells us what is haraam and what is halal. He tells us homosexuality is zina. He tells me, I should not go our without mahram.

If rasul allah says that one can kill non-believers, then thats what should be done. If rasul allah says that taking right hand possesions of raided places is alright. He is al-insan al-kamil, and in that view there is no mistake.

Evidently you have not read Qur'an. Don't worry. There are plenty of people on here who haven't but pretend they have authority over any aspect of Islam.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, not all Western things are evil. Just American. And your country. And also your people are terrorists.

Desptie the fact that I partially agree with you, this is why you have no place as a moderator.

Originally posted by Alliance
Desptie the fact that I partially agree with you, this is why you have no place as a moderator.

I did. However, I wish I could say the same for your Muhammed was "dirty" comment.

That was my personal interpretation. We established that few pages ago, and in view of that I have delited a comment, so people can contrencate on important issues.

Originally posted by Alliance
Can you even read? A persons RELIGION may be changed, but its not necesserily a choice. A persons FAITH may not be someones choice at all.

Religion is a choice, unless it was in the event where the person was brainwashed into it.

Originally posted by Alliance
Says who, you? Try talking to people about faith sometime instead of just bashing them...maybe you'll understand.

I do all the time. I am not bashing any person here. I am attacking the Quran. Attacking a book is not the same as bashing a person.

You've bashed Christianity and Buddhism before...I guess that means you hate Christians and Buddhists 😱

Originally posted by Alliance
Then clearly you were "religious" and not faitful.

I had Faith...it was destroyed when I discovered what a lie the Bible was, and that Christianity is a veryyy human organization that claims to be Divine.

Originally posted by Alliance
yet all of Islam is evil 🤨

I didn't say that. You are putting words in my mouth again...you clearly do not understand my stance. You are replacing it with your own version of what you want my stance to be.

Originally posted by Alliance
YES THEY ARE. Your failure to see that just shows how ignorant of this whole situation you are.

I am not ignorant of the violence that occurs in Middle Eastern countries by enablement by the Quran, which is specifically what I address. The violence that occurs under Islam is justified by the Quran.

You keep trying to argue that it is culture and government, not religion, but you are factually wrong 👇

The Quran itself provides the means and justification to do these things. Islam as Law is based on Quran. The culture and government is based on Quran. The Quran promotes violence, and you know this.

Originally posted by Alliance
The only two people deserving of this comment are you an Lil. You are blind and you are ignornat.

And you're not ? 😬

Give me a God damn fkn break....

Originally posted by Alliance
While we all know your obessive nature, what you spew is BS. Homosexualty was considered natural and acceptable in ancient Greece, but it was not considered superior to normal sex or a higher form of sex. Real historicans and not hormonal sex crazed teenagers understand this. Try reading sources instead of BS websites.

Homosexuality between a young boy and older male was considered superior to Heterosexuality between an older male and young woman, particularly in Athens, and other region of Ancient Greece. I've done my research through classes, and historical text.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, not all Western things are evil. Just American.

Where have I claimed Hadith was a word of God? Hadiths are a sayings of Muhammad recorded by Muslims at the time, and it is impossible to understand Qur'an without them for few reasons -

- qur'an refers to many things which were well known in pagan Arabia. Explanation required was to be found in Hadiths.
- Hadith is everything there is to be found on the practices by Rasul Allah Al-insan al-kamil.
It is an example to be followed.

Rasul allah tells us what is haraam and what is halal. He tells us homosexuality is zina. He tells me, I should not go our without mahram.

If rasul allah says that one can kill non-believers, then thats what should be done. If rasul allah says that taking right hand possesions of raided places is alright. He is al-insan al-kamil, and in that view there is no mistake.

Evidently you have not read Qur'an. Don't worry. There are plenty of people on here who haven't but pretend they have authority over any aspect of Islam.

I see I have presumed too much, and clearly your understanding of Islam is better than mine - although also apparently biased against it due to that knowledge.

As I said, I will seek to better my understanding of the Muslim faith. I should like to first learn the Arabic language, however, since translation between languages is so fickle, and much of the original work may be lost.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
In Ancient Greece, sex was about submission and power. Ancient Greek Society constructed the "norms" of sex to be between a dominant and submissive partner.

If a male Greek had sex with a woman, that was considered normal, but not revered. Women were seen as inferior to men, and the only justification for having sex with a woman was pro-creation.

Young boys were seen as beautiful, majestic, and clean. For an older man to have sex with a younger boy was an honor, because:

And those are things I'll never be able to understand.

These are the exact same men who dealt a serious ass-whooping to over twenty-thousand Persians at Thermopylae. It completely baffles me that those men (and I use that word loosely) who dressed and adorned eachother's hair, culturally had sex with other men, and only had intercourse with women for purposes of procreation, were such superb soldiers.

Add to that, Greek woman are fine as hell, yet Ancient Greek men (who werent born gay) willingly passed them up for other guys.

Along with the Ancients Greeks, the Fuedal Japanese also believed that love between two guys was the 'purest' kind of love. Two great civilizations, who for some reason beleived that.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And those are things I'll never be able to understand.

These are the exact same men who dealt a serious ass-whooping to over twenty-thousand Persians at Thermopylae. It completely baffles me that those men (and I use that word loosely) who dressed and adorned eachother's hair, culturally had sex with other men, and only had intercourse with women for purposes of procreation, were such superb soldiers.

Add to that, Greek woman are fine as hell, yet Ancient Greek men (who werent born gay) willingly passed them up for other guys.

Along with the Ancients Greeks, the Fuedal Japanese also believed that love between two guys was the 'purest' kind of love. Two great civilizations, who for some reason beleived that.

Don't read too much into what Urizen says, hes way overstating his case, making ancient Greece out to be a homosexual's paradise. People who actually understand the authors of ancient sources don't come to his sort of conclusions.

Homosexuality was not associated with anti-masculinity in Ancient Greece. Achillies had homosexual relationships, whith his cousin no less, in The Illiad. Gods had homosexual relationships as well.

Men did NOT have intercourse with women solely for the course of procreation. Homosexuality was societally acceptable, but was not percieved anywhere near the modern conception of homosexual relationships and homosexuality. And nowhere is heterosexuality disregarded.

Disreagard your preconceptions of what homosexuality is and how it relates to masculinity and the military. They are (or at least mostly)disjoint.

Homosexuality is two things...an essence of your being, and a type of action you commit.

If you are religious, that is likely not going to change, if ever. Thus is the same with homosexuality. You will always feel religious desires.

However, just because one is homosexual, does not mean that one exclusive engages in homosexual acts. If one is religious, I'd argue that one will ALWAYS have a religion, Islam or anyhting else. If one CHOOSES Islam as ones religion, it can become something as essential to a person as their sexuality.

Religion may not be a chioce any more that sexuality is.

Also, Islam is harmless...I don't see 1.4 billion terrorist running around. Honestly, when I'm on this psychotic forum, I feel like I'm on stormfront.

As far as agression goes, I seem to see much more western governmental aggression than that from the government in the Middle east. And do the few "ardent' (which apparently means that if you are religious or spiritual you automatically become a terrorist) followers of Islam actually represent what the religion is? Hell no.

I don't deny there aren't any progressive Muslims, I know there are but those that passionately believe everything the Quran says (Which are a great number in the Middle East) do believe violence towards women, gays, foreigners, etc.

As a footnote, stop trying to make everyone that calls Islams for what it is a white racist xenophobe. Islam condones violence, regardless of whether there is violence or not in our western culture, we can still call them on it. They are much worse when it comes to domestic violence than the US and most of the Western world.

That is exactly right Eis.

there are countless Muslims who are NOT VIOLENT. But since Islam does condone violence, you cannot forbid Muslims who wish to use violence to do so, since they have found it in their Holy book.

Originally posted by Alliance
However, lil would be happy to remind you that Muhammed was "dirty" and to reccomend that you read some "brilliant" authors whose extreme conservative credentials have raised serious questions about the validity their work.

Bullocks! The first time I heard about Aisha was from a practicing muslim and I heard about it from other muslims as well.

You failed, stop trying it and give it a rest.

Originally posted by inimalist
yes, the traditions of the time promoted pedophelic actions and were morally wrong, thus the actions of the Prophet (pbuh) were evil, if explained in a historical context.

The fact that you try to pass this off as a historical anomaly does nothing to address the fact that there are many in the world today who practice this tradition and justify it with the religious texts.

Ok .. millions of people were married at young age does that make them a pedophiles ?No ,,u r not only talk about Muhammed ..Cleopatra got married from her 11 years old brother ..virgin Marry got married at 12 years old ..many many people ..Did they knew that there is a pedophile concept would appear!! ..We cant charge any body of them by these MODERN concepts ..

The situations at that time were different ..Prophet Muhammed Married nine women most of them were widows , who their husbands died in Wars ..Muslims are a ware of that conditions and they will not practice this as Muhammed did or marry 9 women ..same with Aisha bcoz some of these decisions were mostly political to embower the Islam at that time ..

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I've already been over this with you, I suppled you with the quotes in your other thread that state that non-beleivers of Allah shall be slaughtered.

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126

[b]Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151

"We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah." 4:30

You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70

Here it is Forbidden for a Muslim to befreind anyone other than another Muslim:

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[b]Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

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Muslims are taught by Quran to hate Jews:

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Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

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Do you need any more proof Muslimscholar ? [/B]

Ya Allah , HOW MANY TIME DID I EXPLAINED THIS !!! 😠

OPEN UR FREAKING EYES ...NOW

No legitimate war in the history of Islam was ever waged because of the religious beliefs of the opponents of the Muslims. Muslims do not fight others merely because they are non-Muslims. They fight to protect their rights as free human beings trying to live their lives in a peaceful way with their families, friends, and neighbors .

*{Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just.}*

(Al-Mumtahanah 60:5 )