Originally posted by inimalist
I'm concerned, though Norse may be even cooler...
Well its like this obvoulsy you have to like Norse culture, apart from that I think its pretty cool. For example you dont have all the pyschological torment that you have with Abrahmic religons.
Morality in the Norse religon is pretty common sense. Of course the vikings did do things that were unacceptable. I think homosexuality was punished by death. Womens rights compared to the Romans was better, but not good enough. Raping and pillaging, but of course there were not all like that Thor himself in one poem states that if you're going to fight you have to fight for justice.
Unfortunetly the vikings were like most humans b****** but there is plenty of Norse literature which stated how a decent human being should behave. Of course they were not up tight about religon. Hell they didnt even have a problem with Chistanity they just got pissed because people tried to force it on them.
Originally posted by Alliance
I 100% agree.Urizen, you made this thread just to piss people off and to bash religion.
Not only are you hypocritical in your standards, but you are being malicious.
Edit: This is in reference to your agreeing with Quiero, not sure why I didn't quote his original post but whatever, goes for the both of you.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well its like this obvoulsy you have to like Norse culture, apart from that I think its pretty cool. For example you dont have all the pyschological torment that you have with Abrahmic religons.Morality in the Norse religon is pretty common sense. Of course the vikings did do things that were unacceptable. I think homosexuality was punished by death. Womens rights compared to the Romans was better, but not good enough. Raping and pillaging, but of course there were not all like that Thor himself in one poem states that if you're going to fight you have to fight for justice.
Unfortunetly the vikings were like most humans b****** but there is plenty of Norse literature which stated how a decent human being should behave. Of course they were not up tight about religon. Hell they didnt even have a problem with Chistanity they just got pissed because people tried to force it on them.
nice 😎
man, even general Norse history is something that I am totally ignorant in. If I weren't knee deep in exams I ask you for some good readings... I will give the wiki a hit though.
Originally posted by inimalist
nice 😎man, even general Norse history is something that I am totally ignorant in. If I weren't knee deep in exams I ask you for some good readings... I will give the wiki a hit though.
Ok I know you're busy but if you have time read this. This is a poem inspired by Odin where he talks about life and morality in general. Its deep because the stuff he talks about applies even today. As far as I know its an important poem in the Heathen religon.
😮💨
http://www.ragweedforge.com/havamal.html
I love this bit....
With a good man it is good to talk,
Make him your fast friend:
But waste no words on a witless oaf,
Nor sit with a senseless ape.
😂
Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok I know you're busy but if you have time read this. This is a poem inspired by Odin where he talks about life and morality in general. Its deep because the stuff he talks about applies even today. As far as I know its an important poem in the Heathen religon.😮💨
http://www.ragweedforge.com/havamal.html
I love this bit....
With a good man it is good to talk,
Make him your fast friend:
But waste no words on a witless oaf,
Nor sit with a senseless ape.😂
your religion speaks to me 😛
Originally posted by inimalist
your religion speaks to me 😛
Im not officially heathen yet but one day probably.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
🙄 Start a new thread.
I could start a heathen thread up, im too tired to think of anything right now. Anyway when I do they usually dont last long because most people dont know that much about it...or im just crap at making threads. 😂
Originally posted by Fatima
There is no doubt that in most countries today it is not acceptable for a 53–year-old man to marry a 9–year-girl. Why? Because it is against the law and against the traditions of the people. This means that if we want to label any action as wrong, then we need to ask: wrong according to what, the law or the traditionsThe Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never violated the law, the Qur’an descended during his lifetime and never prohibited the Prophet’s acts. Also, the Messenger never violated the traditions and customs of his people, as we all know that he was attacked vigorously by the idolaters, the Jews, and the hypocrites. They lashed out at him boldly and continuously attempted to defame his personality, but they never claimed that he was a pedophile or a child abuser. Why? In fact, using his marriage to `A’ishah, when she was so young, could have been an excellent opportunity to destroy him and to convince his Companions and followers that he was not worthy of following .
The answer is simply because these kinds of practices were the norm at that time of the Prophet . Therefore, he didn’t violate the traditions of his people in his time. Prophet Muhammad was also married to Safiyyah, the daughter of Huyayy ibn Akhtab, the leader of a Jewish tribe in Arabia. The Prophet married her when she was 16 years old and guess what? He was her third husband; she was married twice before him. So, how old do you think she was when she got married to her first husband? Probably around 9, just like `A’ishah.
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That's a very good point Fatima 👆
At the time of the Ancient Greeks, Homosexuality was considered not only normal but in fact, superior to Heterosexuality.
You have to understand, like Islam, Ancient Greece was very sexist, male dominant, and men were seen as holier and more beautiful than women. To make love to another younger man was a greater honor than to make love to even the most beautiful woman around.
AT THE TIME there was nothing wrong with it. Today's standards call it sinful because of Christianity and Islam...
You consider Homosexuality pure evil, because of your religion. You said there's no way around it, that just is. So....how come Homosexuality is evil in your mind, but Peadophilia is okay ?
Why do you excuse Muhammed's peadophilia, but ur completely against homosexuality in any day, age, or time ?
Good point.
The problem is Fatima, Islam is a violent religion, and it condones violence on almost every page of Qur'an.
It is fine that there is a huge proportion of Muslims who are pieceful and do not support any vicious acts, however, baring in mind that Qur'an IS violent, and it does advocate murder of infidels and kafirs, you cannot therefore forbid some people, to putting that, which they find in Qur'an into practice.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Good point.The problem is Fatima, Islam is a violent religion, and it condones violence on almost every page of Qur'an.
It is fine that there is a huge proportion of Muslims who are pieceful and do not support any vicious acts, however, baring in mind that Qur'an IS violent, and it does advocate murder of infidels and kafirs, you cannot therefore forbid some people, to putting that, which they find in Qur'an into practice.
you say the quran promotes violence and says kill non muslims for no reason
can you tell me where it says kill non mulims for no reason?
Originally posted by muslimscholar
you say the quran promotes violence and says kill non muslims for no reason
can you tell me where it says kill non mulims for no reason?
I've already been over this with you, I suppled you with the quotes in your other thread that state that non-beleivers of Allah shall be slaughtered.
Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221
Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
"We shall cast him into Fire, and that is ever easy for Allah." 4:30
You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 5:33
Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 6:70
Here it is Forbidden for a Muslim to befreind anyone other than another Muslim:
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[b]Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80
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Muslims are taught by Quran to hate Jews:
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Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
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Do you need any more proof Muslimscholar ?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Good point.The problem is Fatima, Islam is a violent religion, and it condones violence on almost every page of Qur'an.
It is fine that there is a huge proportion of Muslims who are pieceful and do not support any vicious acts, however, baring in mind that Qur'an IS violent, and it does advocate murder of infidels and kafirs, you cannot therefore forbid some people, to putting that, which they find in Qur'an into practice.
Irregardless of what you believe, you should not attack someone else's beliefs. Take a look at local (i.e., Christian) history: In my opinion, Jesus says naught else but that any good followers of God should have peace with all, friend or foe, but look how His words (and those of the patriarchal Old Testament) have been turned around in order to justify genocide in both the past and the near-past.
That being said, this thread appears to have been spiralling into chaos since the first post....
Originally posted by Eis
How utterly ridiculous. Homosexuality is something you cannot change, something we were born with. Religion is something you choose to adopt, besides, homosexuality is completely harmless. Ardent followers of Islam on the other hand are, by our western standards, aggressors.
Homosexuality is two things...an essence of your being, and a type of action you commit.
If you are religious, that is likely not going to change, if ever. Thus is the same with homosexuality. You will always feel religious desires.
However, just because one is homosexual, does not mean that one exclusive engages in homosexual acts. If one is religious, I'd argue that one will ALWAYS have a religion, Islam or anyhting else. If one CHOOSES Islam as ones religion, it can become something as essential to a person as their sexuality.
Religion may not be a chioce any more that sexuality is. Also, Islam is harmless...I don't see 1.4 billion terrorist running around. Honestly, when I'm on this psychotic forum, I feel like I'm on stormfront.
As far as agression goes, I seem to see much more western governmental aggression than that from the government in the Middle east. And do the few "ardent' (which apparently means that if you are religious or spiritual you automatically become a terrorist) followers of Islam actually represent what the religion is? Hell no.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
At the time of the [b]Ancient Greeks, Homosexuality was considered not only normal but in fact, superior to Heterosexuality. [/B]
haermm Apperntly you know shit about Greece too....superior? Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. This is my official position as a student of ancient history.
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
[b]THANKS HOTTIE 😄 [/B]
Its clear that all you need to get into an Islamaphobes pants is Islamophbia. Good job Kali, you are now a minon of the ignorant and xenophobic right.