Muhammed- The Peadophile

Originally posted by Eis
No not the same with homosexuality, something tells me the rates of people that stop believing in their religion are much higher than those homosexuals that are "cured". Besides homosexuality is genetic (or so we believe) unlike religion. Seriously, what is the point of making this ridiculous comparison, I doubt you actually believe homosexuality and religion are the same, in the context we are talking about.

The answer I posted above applies to this one as well. Religion is all in the mind, it can be disproved and people can be made unbelievers.

Do you not realize the Islam religion supports violence and segregation and the dehumanizing of women? (Oh right no, women are equal... they should just stay in the kitchen, raise kids and cover their faces)
Those are all things the Quran or Hadiths teach and most Islam followers believe, it is not something we are making up to make Muslims look bad.
For clarification I am not talking about Al Qaeda, and I am sure they are the kind you refer to when you say "And do the few "ardent' (which apparently means that if you are religious or spiritual you automatically become a terrorist) followers of Islam actually represent what the religion is? Hell no."

I don't deny there aren't any progressive Muslims, I know there are but those that passionately believe everything the Quran says (Which are a great number in the Middle East) do believe violence towards women, gays, foreigners, etc.

As a footnote, stop trying to make everyone that calls Islams for what it is a white racist xenophobe. Islam condones violence, regardless of whether there is violence or not in our western culture, we can still call them on it. They are much worse when it comes to domestic violence than the US and most of the Western world.

Listen bro ..If u have evidence that Islam is violence bring it ..otherwise don't post shits .plz.. I really get sick of this ..

Anyway heres some of his sayings (pbuh) ..check if its promotes the violence ..

ALL OF YOU MUST SEE THIS ..🙂

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Originally posted by Fatima
Listen bro ..If u have evidence that Islam is violence bring it ..otherwise don't post shits .plz.. I really get sick of this ..

Regardless of whether you think adulterers deserve to be whipped or women beaten up for disagreeing with her husband, the Quran promotes violence. Violence in the western world in that form is seen as malicious and it is illegal. So please, do tell me, how am I posting "shits"?

And does that prove that ISLAM is violent? Or that the Qu'ran is, in parts, legitimizing violence.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Bullocks! The first time I heard about Aisha was from a practicing muslim and I heard about it from other muslims as well.

You failed, stop trying it and give it a rest.

I never denied that he married a 9 year old, or that today it would be considered an act of pedophilia.

Originally posted by Alliance
And does that prove that ISLAM is violent? Or that the Qu'ran is, in parts, legitimizing violence.

Except they don't. Its a dang old book, people can take from it what they will, and I don't se 1.4 billion people running around and killing infidels.

So clearly its more complex than Quran=violence (which is an absurd claim in the first place) therefore Islam=violence.

Originally posted by Alliance
Except they don't. Its a dang old book, people can take from it what they will, and I don't se 1.4 billion people running around and killing infidels.

So clearly its more complex than Quran=violence (which is an absurd claim in the first place) therefore Islam=violence.

I never claimed the whole essence of the Quran was violence, I just said it promoted it.

Originally posted by Eis
Yes, killing kafirs is the only violence Islam promotes, damn you found the whole in my theory!

I never claimed the whole essence of the Quran was violence, I just said it promoted it.

I know there are more passages, but there are other passages that seemingly promote peace. Presenting a biased sample doean't allow me to draw any useful conclusions, besides the presenter is biased.

ANd that promotion never has to translate into action for any Muslim to bee a good and faithful Muslim.

Originally posted by Alliance
I know there are more passages, but there are other passages that seemingly promote peace. Presenting a biased sample doean't allow me to draw any useful conclusions, besides the presenter is biased.

ANd that promotion never has to translate into action for any Muslim to bee a good and faithful Muslim.

No, but if they try to stop it then they are perceived as immoral or "brainwashed by the western media" you see performing the action is bad but so is condoning it.

Originally posted by Fatima
Ok .. millions of people were married at young age does that make them a pedophiles ?No ,,u r not only talk about Muhammed ..Cleopatra got married from her 11 years old brother ..virgin Marry got married at 12 years old ..many many people ..Did they knew that there is a pedophile concept would appear!! ..We cant charge any body of them by these MODERN concepts ..

The situations at that time were different ..Prophet Muhammed Married nine women most of them were widows , who their husbands died in Wars ..Muslims are a ware of that conditions and they will not practice this as Muhammed did or marry 9 women ..same with Aisha bcoz some of these decisions were mostly political to embower the Islam at that time ..

ok

1) Pedophilia and pedophilic acts are different things. To be a pedophile, you must have a sexual compulsion toward young children. This is not the same as just marrying young children for sex. In the latter, it is not compulsion that drives this, but, as you say, social and cultural factors. It is a pedophilic act, however, the designation of "pedophile" is something I would only use after a proper analysis of an individual.

2) Morality in general is a modern concept. Lets make a thought experiment then. If it were possible for me to go back in time, is it still considered child molestation for me to go back to the time of the Prophet (pbuh) and have sex with young girls?

3) I honestly don't care at what age Marry or Cleopatra were married. I am not making a statement of comparative value. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of people living before the year 1600, just by the nature of society, had terrible morals. For instance, one of my favorite philosophers ever is the Marquis de Sade. He is responsible for rape, assault, murder, torture, kidnap etc. Those things are evil and I do not agree with his actions, however I still agree with what he said. The same could be said for Voltaire and his antisemitism. The work of someone is not discredited because they lived in a time that promoted evil action.

4) As a continuation, the reason the work is not discredited is because it is possible for me to condemn these actions. It almost appears as if you are saying that people do not abuse others because of what the Qu'ran says, which is ridiculous. The internal politics of Pakistan should be evidence enough, but my assumption is that you have a meme to dismiss these things for other reasons. The only reason it is relevant whether or not Muhammad was a pedophile is because it leads people to today practice the actions.

5) Can you say that it is wrong for an old man to sleep with a child sexually?

Originally posted by inimalist
however I still agree with what he said.

Just out of interest, what did he say?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

But since Islam does condone violence, you cannot forbid Muslims who wish to use violence to do so, since they have found it in their Holy book.

have you lost the plot you don't even know what you are saying. Islam condemns violence and teaches not kill innocent people
you read verses out of context and also don't read the tafseer and you just start talking bull shit.

Originally posted by muslimscholar
have you lost the plot you don't even know what you are saying. Islam condemns violence and teaches not kill innocent people
you read verses out of context and also don't read the tafseer and you just start talking bull shit.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Just out of interest, what did he say?

lol, he is considered the father of Sadism.

He talks a lot about the possession of people as sexual objects and of love. A lot about the state and religion, and how both are terrible things. Maybe I will make a thread.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, he is considered the father of Sadism.

He talks a lot about the possession of people as sexual objects and of love. A lot about the state and religion, and how both are terrible things. Maybe I will make a thread.

Ok. Meh this doesnt look good. Obvoulsy im not a sadist but sometimes evil people can say sensible things. Im just interested in what he had to say.

It's just sick that the muslims looks up to a peadophile...
Kinda explains all the trouble in muslim-countrys.

No offense, i am just honest.

Originally posted by Eis
What is wrong with you? You seem to believe whipping people and men beating their wives is not violence. Do you also believe hanging gays is an act of kindness?

God created us and he wants us not be gay that is his choice we cant argue with him can we? he sent rules down for us to folo and if we cant folo gods rules then we fail the test and go to hell

Originally posted by muslimscholar
God created us and he wants us not be gay that is his choice we cant argue with him can we? he sent rules down for us to folo and if we cant folo gods rules then we fail the test and go to hell

What would god say about the fact that all humans are bi?

EDIT: Or put another way, what would God say about the fact that the hetero/homo split in sexuality is a false dichotomy?

Originally posted by inimalist
What would god say about the fact that all humans are bi?

Are they?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Are they?

pretty much.

the distinction that everyone has, ie calling themselves "gay" or "straight" has nothing to do with the amount of arousal they experience when they see erotic images of people of the same sex. It is by far more pronounced in females, but also found in males. Very generally speaking, people are aroused by erotic images of their own gender.

Its not something that I have a lot of interest in debating with people, simply because of the emotions involved, but this seemed an appropriate time to bring it up