Muhammed- The Peadophile

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Allience, get your head out of your ass.

You have NEVER read the Qur'an or Hadith, you don't know BASIC history of Islam, yet you constantly parade around with ignorance.

Had you known any Islam, you would challenge me with Qur'anic verses and Hadiths not with ''you are racist'' bullshit.
I know Islam better than you in any case, having grown up in and around it and all.

I have provided you with verses from Hadiths, with knowledge from Muslims themselves.

All you're doing is shitting your pants guessing, speculating and assuming because you don't know better. Its sad, repetitive and tiering.

Yeah that pretty much sums Alliance up.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
basically all the idiots from the dawah academy, zakir naik, yusum islam, yusuf estems, ibrahim green, israar ahmed, ahmed deedat, and oh so many more bastards bringing a new and improved layer of deception to the spreading of a primitive dogma that should have been seen as idiotic and forgotten. theyr trying to reverse the process and AGAIN model people's RATOINAL minds to thinking that islam is true from all scientific and logical perspectives.{search, PEACETV , ull find out, its like a muslim preaching channel controlled by this lot like bible channels, its on all the damn time in my house cause my dear mum just loves watching it.

Did they said anything wrong to call them idiots and bastards ??what a respectful guy !!

Originally posted by Alliance
Evidence???

Originally posted by Alliance

What is that refering to?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Lazy ignorance.
You're on the internet. Do your own goddamned research.
Too lazy to learn Islam, and too lazy to read Amnesty International.

If you don't know anything of the movements of Amnesty Interntaional about abuse of women in Middle East, or about action to stop honour killings, if you don't know Human Rights Watch, than your ignorance is not my problem. Educate yourself. You are embarrassing.

Poorf that honor killings are in Islamic countries and Islamic societies only? Honor killings in Islamic countries, and Islamic communities, and are NOT RECORDED anywhere else in the WORLD.
Shall I simplify it for you - There is no record of such a thing as a honour killing in any other community, or country in the world, apart from Islamic countries, or Islamic comunities.
Stoning, beheading, hangings are all METHODS of honour killings.

It isn't me ''not having facts''' its you not knowing them.
I showed you the link and the passages from Hadiths and Qur'an few pages back, or are you just too challenged with reading it?!
We also showed you the passages of Qur'an which advocate murder, killing of infidels, wife beating and Muhammad sleeping with 9 year old, but you convininantly ignored them.

Sicne when do you care about what Qur'an says? Right. Only when you THINK you're right.

Recently we had Saudi Ambassador to London, Ghazi al-Qusaibi, says that [b]stoning may seem irrational to the western mind, but it is "at the core of the Islamic faith."

Hani Ramadan head of the Islamic Center in Geneva stated, “Islam has taken a firm and decisive stance against Zina (fornication or adultery). Allah, the Almighty, commands in explicit and unequivocal words: “And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way.” (Al-Isra’: 32).”

"The woman is 'awrah. When she goes outside (the house), the devil welcomes her"
(Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din by Ghazali, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut , Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 65. Reported by Tirmizi as a true and good Ahadith).

" Hazrat Ali (rightly guided Caliph) reported the Prophet saying:

“Women have ten ('awrah). When she gets married, the husband covers one, and when she dies the grave covers the ten." ( Kanz-el-'Ummal, Vol. 22, Hadith No. 858. See also Ihy'a).

'awrah (Auraat if you're from India or Pakistan) means object of shame and resentment.

WHY ''honor killing'' never happens among the non-Muslim Arab families? [/B]

We, Muslims, have to admit that there is a lot of bigotry against women in the history of the Islamic world, which is simply un-Islamic, according to Islam's references and sources of legislation , including honor killing etc..
It is necessary to differentiate between Islam and the politics of Muslims. Islam is a way of life that, naturally, includes politics and governance. However, political positions, even if they are taken based on certain Islamic values, are not necessarily part of "Islam" that every Muslim has to embrace. When it comes to women, there is a subtle but very strong link between many of the anti-women fatwas and certain political agendas.

1. I HAVE read parts of the Quran and Hadiths. I've never read all. Thats not the same as not having read anything.

2. I'm asking for lil to back up her outrageous claims with text.

WHERE in the Quran or the Hadiths, does it say ANYTHING about honor killings.

Originally posted by Alliance
1. I HAVE read parts of the Quran and Hadiths. I've never read all. Thats not the same as not having read anything.

2. I'm asking for lil to back up her outrageous claims with text.

WHERE in the Quran or the Hadiths, does it say ANYTHING about honor killings.

Ah. Actually I dont think it does but when you have rules like men can have more then one wife and women cant and you need to have two women witnesses to one man, it encourages you treat women badly.

Even if shes wrong why is it outrageous to expect that, despite alot of other barbaric rules in Islam?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ah. Actually I dont think it does but when you have rules like men can have more then one wife and women cant and you need to have two women witnesses to one man, it encourages you treat women badly.

Even if shes wrong why is it outrageous to expect that, despite alot of other barbaric rules in Islam?

Those points are taught just the same in Christian religion, and in most religions. But honor killings did not pop up in Christianity.

It is not a matter of religion, but of culture and tradition Alfheim.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Those points are taught just the same in Christian religion, and in most religions. But honor killings did not pop up in Christianity.

Yeah I know but were not talking about Christanity for the umptenth time.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll

It is not a matter of religion, but of culture and tradition Alfheim.

Dont know what to say to that really. Maybe I guess, my point is that if the rellgion teaches you to treat women badly then it encourages it.

Prophet Muhammed order women to cover her hair ..when she reached puberty . maybe you misunderstand that verse .

Oh god and u call me a blind ..Before u state that women get half the inheritance than men ..look at the other side of this issue ..Men HAVE to spend on their wives and sisters its an order even if she had billions

As for rape it doesn’t mention to bring witnesses only in adultery .. Nothing in Quran or Hadith mentioned that women are not good as men .don't be silly ……

Well when a book says women have to be supported by their brothers and husbands and that they cannot receive as much inheritance as men and have to cover their hair. One kind of forms an opinion on what the Quran is saying about women.

Also, I read something that was rather strange about rape in Sunan Abu Dawud book 38. If I remember correctly when a rapist is caught Muhammed told the woman (the victim) that god had forgiven her.
I thought that was rather strange.

Arabic language is obscure , for example in English u have hit and beat ..in Arabic there is only one word ..and in this verse beat means hit , in Hadith prophet Muhammed mentioned that the hit must be in a light tool like toothpick .its even forbidden to use his hand ...

Are you aware of the consequences ??

By Alliance

1. I HAVE read parts of the Quran and Hadiths. I've never read all. Thats not the same as not having read anything.

2. I'm asking for lil to back up her outrageous claims with text.

WHERE in the Quran or the Hadiths, does it say ANYTHING about honor killings.

Sorry for the double post but fifteen minutes have passed.

Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Those points are taught just the same in Christian religion, and in most religions. But honor killings did not pop up in Christianity.

It is not a matter of religion, but of culture and tradition Alfheim.

Originally posted by Eis

Okay... Women, your kind, are not useless dogs. You can work as hard as men, you should not have half the inheritance men have in the same way that a brother shouldn't be legally obligated to support his sister. And besides a man has to give his ex-wife enough money so she can live decently, if she already has billions it wouldnt take much money to do that.

useless dogs ???

If you wanna debate learn the "ethics" first ..In case you're foreign to this concept !!

Originally posted by Eis
Sorry for the double post but fifteen minutes have passed.

Women were much more free before Islam came along in the middle east.

for example Khadija.

Originally posted by Fatima
useless dogs ???

If you wanna debate learn the "ethics" first ..In case you're foreign to this concept !!

Originally posted by Alliance
I have not read the Quran in its entirety. However, I don't find that I need to have read the Quran in its entirety to

1. Tell that her sources are biased.
2. To read secondary sources that contradict her positions on Islam.

ms. bitchiness has NO IDEA what she rants on about on here.😬 the extend of her ignorance and her blindsighted eagerness to keep resorting to such a ridiculously biased, uninformed and downright false viewpoint only makes an effort to reason with her pretty much futile.

let her be.
🙄

Sorry, sometimes its hard to let it slide.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
ms. bitchiness has NO IDEA what she rants on about on here.😬 the extend of her ignorance and her blindsighted eagerness to keep resorting to such a ridiculously biased, uninformed and downright false viewpoint only makes an effort to reason with her pretty much futile.

let her be.
🙄

I do agree with Alliance though, that neither the Quran not any Hadiths explicitly condone honor killings.

Originally posted by Punkyhermy
ms. bitchiness has NO IDEA what she rants on about on here.😬 the extend of her ignorance and her blindsighted eagerness to keep resorting to such a ridiculously biased, uninformed and downright false viewpoint only makes an effort to reason with her pretty much futile.

let her be.
🙄

True ..I think she still ignorant in some parts of Islam ..honor killing , women case , killing infidels ..many

Originally posted by Eis
Actually, she does perhaps get to wrong conclusions at times but her knowledge on Islam so far proves to be much greater than Alliance's.

I do agree with Alliance though, that neither the Quran not any Hadiths explicitly condone honor killings.

Yeah but it justifies other thinsg as well. For example their one hadith that talks about how Mohammed ordered two people to kill this guy that insulted him. Even if the Quran and hadiths dont state that honour killings are allowed you can see where they get the inspiration from.

Originally posted by Alliance
Sorry, sometimes its hard to let it slide.

I know. 😬