Originally posted by illadelph12
You didn't answer my question brotha.Do you have any proof, on panel, that Jasper's powers are ever dormant other than when he was removed from reality?
We both know the answer, I just want to read you posting it and then I'll resume being an impartial observer.
Do you have any proof that Jaspers powers are always on? Are you suggesting that his powers arent thought triggered? Because there are instances on panel which state reality is manipulated with his mind. An official bio states that to use his powers on himself he needs reality to work with therefore telling you that changing his physical attributes is something he brings about consciously through reality.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Oh, and for the record, I said Phoenix Vs. MJJ/Fury is a draw.
The aim of the game is to kill. We're not dealing with a human host here, we're talking about the Force. Jaspers/Fury cannot kill the Force, by canon it cannot be killed, The Force can kill Jaspers/Fury. The Force wins.
😆
Don't draw me into this GS...
On panel Jaspers was shot point blank in the face by Fury and rendered a fleshless skeleton and there was no evidence on panel that before Fury shot MJJ he had used his powers on his own body, and after being shot there was no brain left for Jaspers to use his powers on his destroyed body and restore himself. How can he use his powers without a brain if he needs to think in order to use his powers?
We both know the answer to this query as well, and no, before you submit it, it's not because he'd already warped reality. He'd warped reality external of himself. There was no on panel evidence that he'd consciously sustained manipulation of his own being prior to the attack by Fury, and, using your logic (that he requires thought to alter anything and is dormant until doing so), he no longer had a brain or flesh, so his powers shouldn't have worked and he should have been dead.
What happened after he was shot?
Eh, it's not worth it.
I'm not in this debate.
Originally posted by illadelph12
😆Don't draw me into this GS...
On panel Jaspers was shot point blank in the face by Fury and rendered a fleshless skeleton and there was no evidence on panel that before Fury shot MJJ he had used his powers on his own body, and after being shot there was no brain left for Jaspers to use his powers on his destroyed body and restore himself. How can he use his powers without a brain if he needs to think in order to use his powers?
We both know the answer to this query as well, and no, before you submit it, it's not because he'd already warped reality. He'd warped reality [b]external
of himself. There was no on panel evidence that he'd consciously sustained manipulation of his own being prior to the attack by Fury, and, using your logic (that he requires thought to alter anything and is dormant until doing so), he no longer had a brain or flesh, so his powers shouldn't have worked and he should have been dead.What happened after he was shot?
Eh, it's not worth it.
I'm not in this debate. [/B]
Quite an easy query to answer. That occurred in Mighty World 11 within Jaspers reality warp where he had already stated he had created "everything" and where his reality warp had already been shown in the previous two issues to have spread across the country and as summarized on marvunapp.com's issue by issue summary.
Within his reality warp, what Jaspers says goes. For all we know within his warp he could have determined that he cant be harmed, that he didnt have to have a physical body within his reality, its all possible. Either way before Fury attacked Jaspers had already applied his powers to himself because he had previously in issue 10 (which the issue in question followed directly on from) been morphing himself into various shapes before being attacked by Captain Britain and proved impervious to his assaults.
Jaspers power is psionically activated, as supported by the bios reference to how to exact changes on himself he needs to have reality present for him to work with, plus theres the fact that Opal Luna Saturnyne the omniversal majestrix classified him as a psychokinetic i.e he warps reality psionically:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jaspers major weakness is he needs reality to manipulate otherwise hes powerless. The Fury side of the merger is no threat to the Phoenix Force whatsoever, it cannot harm the Force in the slightest whilst theres a lot of attacks the Force could use to take it out, attacks the Fury hasn’t been shown to be adaptable to. Even if it had, as illustrated in this Jaspers story, the Furys ability to adapt and be resistant to attacks is dependent on its internal energy reserves which are far from unlimited. The Force need only remove the merger from reality or remove reality from around the merger and that deals with the Jaspers half. The Force then needs only to atomize the merger, transmute it or use any from a large number of attacks the Fury hasn’t been shown to face before and therefore would be very susceptible to.Either way, energy can’t be destroyed, the Phoenix Forces firebird avatar can split itself into a multitude of fully functioning sentient parts(as we’ve seen most recently in Endsong and Warsong) be shattered, absorbed, re-channeled etc and it will just reform as if nothing happened
I've have that book. No where does it ever mention avatar. Thought you came back with new stuff but it's still the same old tactics. Poor and unreadable scans when you drivel your opinions.
It is pure, mutable, indestructible and immortal life energy and that’s all canon. It is not going to be destroyed, Jaspers/ Fury cannot win. Phoenix has many ways of killing the combo.Game over. [/B]
Your contradicting yourself. You posted scans of the Force from a story where it was drained and abused. If an alien ship and a team of B-class heroes can put a hurting on Phoenix Force, Fury and Jasper would stomp it six feet under.
Its just a bio. The books prove it can be hurt and killed, even if temporarily.
Fury and Jasper win 8/10.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
I've have that book. No where does it ever mention avatar. Thought you came back with new stuff but it's still the same old tactics. Poor and unreadable scans when you drivel your opinions.
That specific issue doesnt have to say its an avatar, if its established in previous issues that the firebird is a representation of the life force of reality. I have posted many issues of the firebird being called an avatar so i have nothing to prove.
If the Phoenix Force is stated to be the life force of reality, the sum and substance of all life, then how can that firebird be the sum of the Phoenix Force? Surely that would mean there would be no life anywhere else on panel because that firebird would be the sum of it. 😕
Or sensible and clued up readers would know that as stated on panel many a time the firebird is an avatar. It being an avatar is also stated in the bio. As is the point that the bird is just a manifestation of the life force, not the sum total.
A droplet of water from a glass of the stuff is still called water. On top of that, it being called water doesnt mean its the totality of it. The Phoenix Force has been split into many parts on panel before and each one of them still called the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Your contradicting yourself. You posted scans of the Force from a story where it was drained and abused. If an alien ship and a team of B-class heroes can put a hurting on Phoenix Force, Fury and Jasper would stomp it six feet under.
Contradicted myself how? Ive posted scans alongside those Ultraforce ones stating that the firebird is an avatar, on top of that i posted scans stating that the avatar in Ultraforce was operating at a reduced power level as it wasnt operating within the universe it derives from. It is after all a manifestation of 616's life force. Look back and see before replying.
The full Force as this thread is dealing with will be capable of everything the manifestation is and far more. What i berated other posters for doing was switching it around and trying to use this avatar as representative of the full power Phoenix. Doesnt work the other way around im afraid.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Its just a bio. The books prove it can be hurt and killed, even if temporarily.Fury and Jasper win 8/10.
The bio supports on panel showings. On panel Phoenix avatars have been shattered, absorbed and then rechannelled only for the firebird to come out the other end like nothing had happened. Yes avatars have been hurt, so what?The Force has never on panel been killed however and yet there are on panel instances showing its essence is completely indestructible, therefore my point stands.
Jaspers /Fury can be killed, the Phoenix Force by canon as stated and shown on panel and within bios is immortal and indestructible. 😄
Well, I'll be the first one tackling your misguided posts today. I noticed that your whole argument depends in the fact that Jaspers needs to think to warp reality. The problem is that you had not proved it. You said that the bio states that Jaspers need reality to manipulate or he is a single human, we already know this, thats why his weakness is a void space. Also, Jaspers being an omega mutant means he can trascend reality, so his "mind" can be used outside his body.
Also, I don't believe the Phoenix Force to be literally indestructible, omniversal nullification would wipe it out just fine. The statement that this is for the kill is not true either. If Jaspers transform the Force into a harmless version of itself he wins, because that would be a perpetual ko.
Addressing more of your weird senses energy can be destroyed (in comics) and the PF have never showed the power to destroy reality, only matter.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quite an easy query to answer. That occurred in Mighty World 11 within Jaspers reality warp where he had already stated he had created "everything" and where his reality warp had already been shown in the previous two issues to have spread across the country and as summarized on marvunapp.com's issue by issue summary.Within his reality warp, what Jaspers says goes. For all we know within his warp he could have determined that he cant be harmed, that he didnt have to have a physical body within his reality, its all possible. Either way before Fury attacked Jaspers had already applied his powers to himself because he had previously in issue 10 (which the issue in question followed directly on from) been morphing himself into various shapes before being attacked by Captain Britain and proved impervious to his assaults.
whitenuts
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, I'll be the first one tackling your misguided posts today. I noticed that your whole argument depends in the fact that Jaspers needs to think to warp reality. The problem is that you had not proved it. You said that the bio states that Jaspers need reality to manipulate or he is a single human, we already know this, thats why his weakness is a void space. Also, Jaspers being an omega mutant means he can trascend reality, so his "mind" can be used outside his body.
Misguided? How so? You've brought nothing to the table but an opposing OPINION, none of which you've backed up through on panel proof.
Just how do you think these Jaspers connected changes occur to reality? At random? That conveniently these random changes are just what he needs and wants in any given situation? 🤨
Of course it requires conscious thought. 😬
At the start of the match prior to him initiating his powers he is still physically very human and that is his downfall. He's just not durable or cant react or process thoughts in his head fast enough to avoid death at the hands of anyone with superhuman speed and reactions. Its that first activation of his powers thats a crucial moment, because after that, he can make himself virtually indestructible amongst other things. Get in there prior to that and hes easy pickings.
You say i havent proved Jaspers needs to think to warp reality, you're wrong and in light of the scans i've posted, either blind or a very selective reader.
There are bio scans saying that Jaspers works with reality to inflict changes on himself (that in itself tells you it involves conscious thought)
I have posted scans of Jaspers being said to manipulate reality PSYCHOKINETICALLY. That alone brings the argument to a close. Post scans and bios stating the contrary or say nothing, because without on panel proof your opinion alone doesnt cut it.
Originally posted by Bentley
Also, I don't believe the Phoenix Force to be literally indestructible, omniversal nullification would wipe it out just fine. The statement that this is for the kill is not true either. If Jaspers transform the Force into a harmless version of itself he wins, because that would be a perpetual ko.
Whether you believe it or not is of little concern to me. The point has been stated on panel many times, the point has been demonstrated on panel, with the Phoenix avatar splitting itself into multiple fully functioning forms many times, being shattered, absorbed and used only for it to carry on as if nothing happened. To top it off the point is stated on panel. After all of that im really supposed to care or be troubled by the fact that its your OPINION that all of that is wrong?
You're a funny guy. 😉
Originally posted by Bentley
Addressing more of your weird senses energy can be destroyed (in comics) and the PF have never showed the power to destroy reality, only matter.
Show the Phoenix energy being destroyed, show the Phoenix energy being permanently eradicated or give it up. Im supported on panel by statements and scenes actually proving my point specifically and also by bios stating the point.
Not good enough. 👇
Originally posted by Mr Master
whitenuts
Hiya!
Heres Captain Britain once again showing concern not for the universe (which some sources would have you believe was remade) but instead just for his planet:
Quite puzzling given his hero role. Surely if it was in fact the universe as a whole that was remade then he'd show concern for just a little more than Betsy and Earth? 😕
and heres Roma telling him how his WORLD is bruised, with no mention of the universe sharing the same fate at all, but that reality fixes paradoxes so his WORLD will heal:
What about the rest of the universe that was apparently warped? 😕
I wonder why in earlier issues Cap would berate Jaspers for warping just his country, the handbook and marvunapp would say Jaspers warp spread across the planet and above Cap Britain and Roma the omniversal guardian would only refer to the global when supposedly the warp and therefore the damage occurred across all of 616? Hmmmmm 😖hifty:
Jim Japsers Remade the 616 Universe, end of story.
"I made everything actually, I made the sky, I made the Tiger the Lamb"
"I made the Stars"
Here's the Proof
In Captain Britain's series that came AFTER Jaspers was killed by the Fury,
it's clarified for those that tried to demean Jaspers' Feat.
"Although Captain UK and I defeated the Fury & contained the Jaspers' Warp,
the Continuum was sufficiently damaged"
Here the Bio and On Panel accounts are identical:
Bio
"Roma informed Linda her anomalous presence on 616,
was preventing the Damaged Reality (Universe) from fully Healing"
(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Captain UK Bio)
On Panel verification
"Your presence is an anomaly,
that has prevented this Continuum (616 Universe) from Healing"
I did find more evidence to further prove, Jaspers was the 616 Universe.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/madjimj2.htm
GO down to 'The Mighty World of Marvel #9'
(on the right hand side of the poker dot Jaspers with a Cane)
Captain Britain knew the UK was Warped and "presumed" the World too,
but to his surprise,
"Captain Britain entered Jaspers' Office to find Jaspers,
a Giant at ONE with the Universe"
This, coupled with the rest of the evidence,
shuts down the opposition ... swank
The exact same post i dealt with here:
Back to your old tricks eh? 😉
Please address my points, by providing new evidence and official sources that state point blank the point you're trying to make, otherwise you're just continually posting a whole lot of nothing. 😬
Not arguing that Jaspers couldnt warp reality on a universal scale, that was the opinion of a few characters on panel and i have no issue with that right now. What i do have an issue with is you saying that thats exactly what he did do, when that was never ever actually shown or stated to be the case on panel.
Highly regarded website(marvunapp) + official bio + various on panel global references + a total lack of universal warping references or depictions > a whole lot of nothing. 👇
No more reposts please ❌
Lets break the cycle 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The exact same post i dealt with here:Back to your old tricks eh?
Please address my points, by providing new evidence and official sources that state point blank the point you're trying to make, otherwise you're just continually posting a whole lot of nothing.
Not arguing that Jaspers couldnt warp reality on a universal scale, that was the opinion of a few characters on panel and i have no issue with that right now. What i do have an issue with is you saying that thats exactly what he did do, when that was never ever actually shown or stated to be the case on panel.
Highly regarded website(marvunapp) + official bio + various on panel global references + a total lack of universal warping references or depictions > a whole lot of nothing.
"dealt with"
"old tricks"
I knew it wouldn't be long before the god complex got the best of you.
You continue to post the same shit duke,
At this point it's just blahblah
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No more reposts please
No more gibberish please. 🙄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lets break the cycle
Demean every Other character's Feat to boost the Phoenix?
I agree.
Originally posted by Bentley
Well, I'll be the first one tackling your misguided posts today. I noticed that your whole argument depends in the fact that Jaspers needs to think to warp reality. The problem is that you had not proved it. You said that the bio states that Jaspers need reality to manipulate or he is a single human, we already know this, thats why his weakness is a void space. Also, Jaspers being an omega mutant means he can trascend reality, so his "mind" can be used outside his body.Also, I don't believe the Phoenix Force to be literally indestructible, omniversal nullification would wipe it out just fine. The statement that this is for the kill is not true either. If Jaspers transform the Force into a harmless version of itself he wins, because that would be a perpetual ko.
Addressing more of your weird senses energy can be destroyed (in comics) and the PF have never showed the power to destroy reality, only matter.
When was Mad jim jaspers called an omega mutant on panel?
maybe i missed somthing, this is not the wiki version is it?
Sir James Jaspers is without a doubt one of the most powerful mutants to ever live in any reality and one of the most likely (though officially unconfirmed) candidates for being an omega-level mutant.
I could be wrong ,but where is it stated on panel?
