Originally posted by Joey StacksGive me a time frame not just long enough.
Long enough for it to be considered a loss (unless I mesh her with Deadpool or something which is legal).
And healing factors like Deadpool are banned
and if she can survive being vaporized she may be over the killiability just for that.
Because people like Hydroman and Sandman can be KOed they can be Vaporized as well and it would take them a long time to reform as well they are still over.
Originally posted by Newjak
I say she is over the killabilty issue anyways.I mean it sounds to me she over the killability limit anyways.
Why? I mean I assume matches won't last as long as it did between over 100 issues of X-comics and that the fights aren't to death. I mean I can understand Hydroman and stuff because they can't be hurt, but Selene got *****ed by Nimrod and Rachel Grey nearly put her down for good.
Originally posted by Joey StacksAnd Hydroman would loose to Havoc. Deadpool couldn't beat nimrod either
Why? I mean I assume matches won't last as long as it did between over 100 issues of X-comics and that the fights aren't to death. I mean I can understand Hydroman and stuff because they can't be hurt, but Selene got *****ed by Nimrod and Rachel Grey nearly put her down for good.
The fact is she is unkillable and Hydroman can be vaporized and not return for weeks or months it just doesn't change anything.
She is above the unkillability caps
Oh Selene's been bitched by much lower then Nimrod, I'm just not in the mood to talk down my character any more then necessary.
And to nip this Selene thing in the bud (I'm glad she's getting so much love tho)
She's not unkillable, her healing and such stems from the death touch.
Therefore by banning death touches you've nixed Selene's immortality
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Btw, isn't that Rachel in these scans?
It's Rachel vs Selene.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Who says Selene's the durability character? And how's her powerset over caps? And how's her intangibility any more defensive then Vision's?
That's not intangibility that's her Shadow form. As shown in the scans in her shadow meld form she can alternate between being intangible and tangible at will. She's unhurt by a TK blast and Rachels Physical attacks, and on top of that as a shadow she can still physically hold Rachel in a grip.
Her Durability is similar to that of Hydroman and Sandman except it's not even tangible.
At least Vision still has mass in his phased form(That's how Graviton effected him.) Selene on the other hand is literally a Shadow.
Rachel was the freakin Phoenix when she took down Selene for the first time. In the second scan she got taken down by telepathy. Selene was uneffected by TK, or Physical attacks.
Secondly one power of hers that wasn't mentioned. Selene has control over inanimate objects. The ground, opponents attire, metals etc...
Selene vs IronMan. IronMans suits smashes it's way through his skull. Then she mind rapes him once it's cracked open.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Why? I mean I assume matches won't last as long as it did between over 100 issues of X-comics and that the fights aren't to death. I mean I can understand Hydroman and stuff because they can't be hurt, but Selene got *****ed by Nimrod and Rachel Grey nearly put her down for good.
That's over the top. Nimrod was immune to her control over inanimate objects. Her wall diverged a blast from him and they took him down. IRRC Nimrod didn't do jack shit to her in the fight.
Rachel was the Phoenix when she did it the first time. Rachel took her down the second time because she had telepathy.
In any event Selene >> Extremis IronMan.
If Selene can make it, then I don't see why Exodus or Magneto shouldn't be allowed in the tourney.
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Oh Selene's been bitched by much lower then Nimrod, I'm just not in the mood to talk down my character any more then necessary.And to nip this Selene thing in the bud (I'm glad she's getting so much love tho)
She's not unkillable, her healing and such stems from the death touch.
Therefore by banning death touches you've nixed Selene's immortality
She's not unkillable? She got vaporised on a molecular level and she's not unkillable?
IRRC She only requires the life drain to restore her "Youth and Beauty" and to maintain peak exertion of her powers. She was/is the oldest of the Externals and she's vain. Apart from that there's nothing to suggest that she's killable. Her Life Force Drain was the only effective way to kill the externals. Since she herself is an external and since she herself is immune to her Life Drain and has survived being vaporised on a molecular level then that in itself would place her over the caps.
IRRC In the issue where the Fantastic Four infiltrate the Hellfire Club. Didn't Selene steal and devour souls?
Not only that but conventional methods of killing are ineffective. Eg. Stake through the heart. Knife wounds. Bullets.
"That's not intangibility that's her Shadow form. As shown in the scans in her shadow meld form she can alternate between being intangible and tangible at will. She's unhurt by a TK blast and Rachels Physical attacks, and on top of that as a shadow she can still physically hold Rachel in a grip. "
Sounds like Vision, Shadow Lass and Shinobi Shaw.
"Rachel was the freakin Phoenix when she took down Selene for the first time. In the second scan she got taken down by telepathy. She was uneffected by TK, or Physical attacks."
Which is why 5 pages later Rachel one-shotted her with TK?
"Secondly one power of hers that wasn't mentioned. Selene has control over inanimate objects. The ground, opponents attire, metals etc..."
Offensive Matter Manip is banned, Geo-kinesis is not over kill.
"Selene vs IronMan. IronMans suits smashes it's way through his skull. Then she mind rapes him once it's cracked open"
Selene’s been shown to have trouble with high level tech in the past (hello Nimrod) Starks constantly tinkers with armor to adjust to the various matter manips in the Marvel universe. Selene vs Iron Man = Selene vs Nimrod II with more yellow.
And you could say the same with Jean Grey vs. Starks
Jean holds Iron Man in place and rips helmet open. Then she mind rapes him once it's cracked.
"IRRC Nimrod didn't do jack shit to her in the fight."
Except blast her in the face with his phaser gun.
"IRRC She only requires the life drain to restore her "Youth and Beauty" and to maintain peak exertion of her powers"
And to heal.
"IRRC In the issue where the Fantastic Four infiltrate the Hellfire Club. Didn't Selene steal and devour souls?"
More banned moves?
"Not only that but conventional methods of killing are ineffective. Eg. Stake through the heart. Knife wounds. Bullets."
Only because of life drain.
God I wish people would actually take the rules into consideration when they call a character over powered.
