There is no magic solution or prevention. Mostly parents are responsible and these are just ISOLATED INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN ON OCCASION. That's why they're almost always well off suburban white kids, not kids in inner-city schools who are generally exposed to much more violence and have much easier access to guns. I just hate that ****ing idiots like tipper gore, joe lieberman, sam brownback, james dobson have made a career off this shit.
Originally posted by Faceman
Well just turn on the news now a days and you'll see a more violent society than ever before. Better yet look up criminal justice statistics involving violence, and you will see that it is on the rise. Or just take a look at our own government's failed war over sea..
Yes, that was the part I got.
"TV may be a contributing factor.", to what? It's not making ME go out and kill, or you. I'm not above suggesting people can be sane to do these things, BUT if TV makes you do something, then you obviously aren't all the ticket anyway.
If anything, listening to violent music, or heavy music, is a good way to vent. Same with violent TV. As Mike Patton once said; "If a man goes into a bank with a machine gun and shoots a lot of holes in the wall, he didn't kill anybody.".
-AC
for those too busy to watch it let me just summerize the film.
There would be no more school shootings if we could just pray to a christian god in school and study the bible, ban abortion and contraception, wipe out gay people, equate a president getting head with a war crime, set up communist style censorship boards to license artists before they are allowed to perform or put anything out, and criminalize child pornography (contrary to what the video says, it already is).
seriously, whenever i hear crap like this i just picture some zealot in a business suit with a cross necklace whistling the national anthem and greasing the wheels on rusty cattle cars.
Re: State of our Nation...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Food for thought, with the recent Virginia Tech Tragedy, and the 10 year aniversary of the Columbine shooting.... why are our kids doing these things now?One possible answer:
You may or may not agree, but at least watch it all, then post your comment.
SithSabre, do you honestly think that if "Jesus's teachings" were curriculum in American schools violence would just stop? That insane/unstable people would cease to exist?
Oh, please keep in mind the millions of pupils in American schools not being taught "Jesus" that don't murder/assult as compared to how many "go nuts".
Re: State of our Nation...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Food for thought, with the recent Virginia Tech Tragedy, and the 10 year aniversary of the Columbine shooting.... why are our kids doing these things now?
The media has exploded in the last 12 years. If someone did that in the early 20th century, it would take the pony express for the world to find out about their martyrdom.
I don't think asking "Why are they doing it now?" is the right question to be asking. I think there are several questions we ought to ask.
1. Have our youth always been this aggressive throughout our history as a nation?
2a. If not, what is causing this aggression?
2b. If so, what has changed in the outlets for aggression that has encouraged violence among our youth?
3. What can we do to decrease aggression and provide appropriate outlets for aggression?
Originally posted by botankus
The media has exploded in the last 12 years. If someone did that in the early 20th century, it would take the pony express for the world to find out about their martyrdom.
The pony express would have no story because this DIDN'T happen back then.
Let's get real.
We are talking about 17 school shootings in the last 15 years. (18 if you count the one mentioned in Canada.)
And not the "gang fight leads to shooting" or "kid shoots cheating girlfriend" variety either.
We're talking about kids, the oldest being Seiung-hui Cho who was 23 and most are 12-16, who for no specific reason or offense decide to kill as many students as they can before they die.
That doesn't strike some of you as being a little bit off, does it?
As being a huge shift and change from what was going on in this country 50 years ago.
Something is to blame.
Something has happened in the psyche and culture of young people to make this possible.
Several answers have been attempted: Music, video games, divorce, etc....
Those are all just a stab in the dark, a guess as to what's changed with young people.
It's quite simple to me:
Take prayer out of schools-check.
Take Bible out of schools-check.
Teach evolution and no god (therefore life has no meaning and a teen no real purpose)-check
Allow sex and perversion in the culture, in the schools, and promote that any pleasure should be pursued-check
Passing of abortion, more proof that life isn't always sacred, and if you feel like it can be discarded-check
Equals= 18 school shootings in as many years.
Do the numbers.
I've listed all the variables that have been different for this young generations upbringing, and we've all seen the results.
"Teach evolution and no god (therefore life has no meaning and a teen no real purpose)"
The bolded part is especially large and smelly shit... Why do you equate life having a meaning solely with god? It's fine if that's your sole purpose for living; just don't impose that mindset on others as being factual. Were is your basis for that conclusion, God=Meaning to/of life?
It is extremely insulting to tell others their lives have no meaning because they do not believe in god or to be more precise, your view of God.
Re: State of our Nation...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Food for thought, with the recent Virginia Tech Tragedy, and the 10 year aniversary of the Columbine shooting.... why are our kids doing these things now?One possible answer:
You may or may not agree, but at least watch it all, then post your comment.
I agree there's a reason all thes shootings happened in the last 15 years. But I dont think making Bible 101 a required course will do much.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
The pony express would have no story because this DIDN'T happen back then.Let's get real.
We are talking about [b]17
school shootings in the last 15 years. (18 if you count the one mentioned in Canada.)And not the "gang fight leads to shooting" or "kid shoots cheating girlfriend" variety either.
We're talking about kids, the oldest being Seiung-hui Cho who was 23 and most are 12-16, who for no specific reason or offense decide to kill as many students as they can before they die.
That doesn't strike some of you as being a little bit off, does it?
As being a huge shift and change from what was going on in this country 50 years ago.
Something is to blame.
Something has happened in the psyche and culture of young people to make this possible.
Several answers have been attempted: Music, video games, divorce, etc....
Those are all just a stab in the dark, a guess as to what's changed with young people.
It's quite simple to me:
Take prayer out of schools-check.
Take Bible out of schools-check.
Teach evolution and no god (therefore life has no meaning and a teen no real purpose)-check
Allow sex and perversion in the culture, in the schools, and promote that any pleasure should be pursued-check
Passing of abortion, more proof that life isn't always sacred, and if you feel like it can be discarded-checkEquals= 18 school shootings in as many years.
Do the numbers.
I've listed all the variables that have been different for this young generations upbringing, and we've all seen the results. [/B]
What do you have to say about all the people killing, shooting or bombing (Yes, him.) people in the name of God? What or WHO is to blame then? Lack of God? According to the criminals in question, God gave them the ok. These are people who do live their lives by the bible and by religion.
So it's clearly not the answer you wish it would be, because we've all seen or heard the news reports of pro-lifers murdering doctors, students or men killing each other because God told them to.
I'm just curious as to where you stand on this particular issue.
-AC
Re: State of our Nation...
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Food for thought, with the recent Virginia Tech Tragedy, and the 10 year aniversary of the Columbine shooting.... why are our kids doing these things now?You may or may not agree, but at least watch it all, then post your comment.
Bullshit.
You're a typical reactionary drone. If you see change, and something bad happens, it must be a result of the change. Thats horrible logic and is the product of zero insight.
Why are all the school shootings in the South? Thats were all the religious people are. Hell, Cho compared himself to Jesus Christ, maybe Religion is the problem and lack of religion the solution.
(I don't believe that last statement at all, I'm just pointing out what an ignoramous you're being)
This video reaches a false conclusion. It wishes to present the topic as though the exclusion of god and religion from school is where the ball started rolling downhill. This is not the case. It wants to present the idea that removal of religion and the bible from our schools is why teachers and principles can't discipline kids. It wants to present the removal of the bible and religion from our school as a reason teenagers get pregnant. It wants to present abortion as a reason for teen age sex. (And Sith, we all know you're not one to talk when it comes to this.) That's the same ricockulous logic behind don't vaccinate our kids from HPV because they'll all run out and start having sex in the streets.
AC pointed out that these things don't happen in his part of the world. He's right. As was the member who posted the Michael Moore clip. There's no need for the amount of guns we have in the US (Despite my intense dislike of Michael Moore)
But, the video makes a good point. Teachers and school administrators are on pins and needles with these kids because the parents of this country, conservative and liberal alike, don't want someone else telling their kids they're wrong. Parents in this country are consumed with the idea that their kids are right and the teacher is wrong, it's the parents treating their kids like extensions of themselves. And that would be like the teacher telling the parent they're wrong. And who the hell is the teacher to do that? And kids pick up on that attitude.
The video wants to say that the kids in these situations would have known what they were doing was wrong if they'd ever picked up a bible. Well, it isn't that they don't know what they're doing is wrong. It's a matter of knowing what they're doing is wrong and that's why they're doing it!
God was still around in the 1966 Texas school shooting, so God's reply to the concerned student was a lie.