State of our Nation...

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Something is to blame.

Something has happened in the psyche and culture of young people to make this possible.

I am an agnostic, raised by a single mom, I'm not very socially adept, and I've gone through a lot of shit in my life. So why haven't I gone on a killing spree? It's upbringing. My mom, while Catholic, is not an incredibly religious woman. But she still raised me to believe in moral standards. I rejected religion when I was 13 and I have yet to go batshit insane and shoot up a nursery.

You also fail to realize that most countries in Europe are strictly secular, government-wise. And the hard-line religious right claim that we are a "Christian nation." And yet America has the highest violent crime rate of any industrialized nation. Couldn't it be construed that our problems are because of our apparent "piety" rather than despite it?

Consider that.

Originally posted by Strangelove
the dogmatic, narrow, and intolerant views of religion

Looks like someone's seen Revenge of the Sith recently.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Looks like someone's seen Revenge of the Sith recently.

I rejected religion on my own accord at around 16 but never got the urge to burn babies and massacre classmates.

Not related, sorry.

It starts in the home but it far more complicated than any one issue. Religion out of school does not take religion out of the home. How do you account for that in the argument that religion being taken out of schools makes kids crazy?

Originally posted by sithsaber408

If evolution is true, there is no god. Life is an accident, and we have nothing after our bodies rot to look forward to. Life's accomplishments are hollow, as we will pass away, and somebody else will come along in 50 years and undo whatever we managed to make happen.

Whats the point of life if it's all an accident anyway?

Therefore: teach evolution=no god, and no purpose.

To be honest, Im really tired of the narrowminded view that science and religion have to be totally exclusive of one another.

Originally posted by BackFire
Funny video.

Not funny haha, funny queer.

Stupid video too. I like how it implies that all kids don't care about killing strangers because a few do it. That was fun.

I also liked how it implied spanking your kids, and allowing teachers to beat children when they misbehave would stop these events.

What is your preferred instrument? 13

Originally posted by Alliance
What is your preferred instrument? 13

The cat-o'-ninetails is favorite of mine ✅

I want my three and a half minutes back.

Ya know, after watching the video, I'm liking how everyone is focusing on the "ZOMG JESUS" aspect. The creators of the video make an interesting point outside of that.

We live in a time when ethical relativism is glorified. Right and wrong are little more than an individual choice, and saying otherwise gets one labeled negatively. In fact, the only moral absolute that is extolled is that of tolerance, oftentimes bordering on the ridiculous. We've also become desensitized to violence and death. As morality has declined--or, to be politically correct, "been put into perspective"--violence in schools seems to have increased.

Now, does this necessarily mean that it has? No. Like Botankus said, the media today are pretty much everywhere at once, and we're there too--I don't have the statistics on school violence throughout American history, so I can't comment. Does this mean that the degradation of morality has caused a surge in school violence? No. Correlation obviously does not equal causation.

Do I think that bringing God back into the school system or allowing teachers to strike students or not handing out condoms is going to fix anything? No, I don't. I don't know what the solution is, to be honest.

But, maybe that is the solution. Maybe the problem today is one of spiritual warfare, of angels and demons. I can't say, and I'm not going to try to.

So what moral absolutes do you think should be in place, if any?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. Violence has been on the Earth for as long as humans have lived. These shootings maybe tragic, but they are pale when compared to the mass murder waged upon the Earth by the Christian Church.

Yes if anything overall violence has died down allot.

Historical Violent Events:

Spanish Inquisition
French Revolution
Russian Revolution
The Crusades
The Holocaust
The IRA
Tienanmen Square
And lets not forget the number of Serial Killers we've had to deal with through out history.

The reason V tech bothers us so much is that it was such carnal violence in broad daylight. Nothing orderly or restrained about it.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I support beating insolent students.

You monster!

Why only insolent ones? Makes the others feel left out.

The vid could have been worse..it could have been a Deano thread.

based on living about five miles from columbine, i can say that the fact that religion, specifically some of the obnoxiously religious kids and the faculty's tolerance and indifference towards students proscellitizing, bullying, and several incidents which could legally be defined as hate crimes, bringing more god into the curriculum would have only made the situation worse. Christian Dominionism doesn't work and if you don't believe me, there are several african countries that back up my reasoning.

cut out the 99% crap in the video, and you are left with a basic truth: kids, these days, are total pussies. total.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
The pony express would have no story because this DIDN'T happen back then.

Let's get real.

Okay, I'll not talk about the media, or the Internet, or the newspaper, or the Bio Channel "The Mind of the School Shooter" special, or any other outlet that can finally get a troubled kid's message across.

Now I only have the "kids are crueler these days" argument, and I'm not sure how stable my legs would be if I were to stand behind it.

Originally posted by Strangelove
The cat-o'-ninetails is favorite of mine ✅

someone's seen Passion of the Christ recently, eh?

Originally posted by chithappens
So what moral absolutes do you think should be in place, if any?