State of our Nation...

Started by Alliance6 pages

But without acceptance, you will never truly be tolerant.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Food for thought, with the recent Virginia Tech Tragedy, and the 10 year aniversary of the Columbine shooting.... why are our kids doing these things now?

One possible answer:

YouTube video

You may or may not agree, but at least watch it all, then post your comment.

Kinda ****ed. Well, I feel the freedoms we enjoy would be absolutely worth the few deaths that the guy says we get because of that. I don't believe that for one that is the reason. And also I don't feel that the time before we granted all those freedoms was that great...you know, no women's rights, segregation, etc.

Originally posted by Alliance
The best part about this? Its wrong.

Actually, you're wrong. Everything I stated was factually correct. If you'll notice, I never blamed ethical relativism for anything.
Moral relativism isn't the problem in these shootings, its moral absolutism.

Actually, as you so kindly point out, ethical absolutism isn't the problem: it's being a nutjob.
Cho directly compares himself to Jesus Christ, dying because of the sins of others.

So before you saunter off into your timeless bullshit of "morality is declining"

It is.
and "desensitization to violence and death," which are separate points

They are.
think about what Cho's concept of morality was.

His concept of morality was wrong. Moral relativism would say that we can't say that his concept of morality was wrong.
Moral relativism breeds respect and tolerance for others.
It also breeds a lack of moral standards.

However, to say that moral relativism inherently "breeds" tolerance and respect is as much crap as saying that moral absolutism inherently breeds intolerance/disrespect. Want to try me on that? Okay, let's take a look at it this way: how many ethical relativists actually tolerate/respect extremely staunch moral absolutists like Christian fundamentalists?

Cho shows then dangers of moral absolutism, not moral relativism.

Horseshit and you know it. Anecdotal evidence FTW.

how many ethical relativists actually tolerate/respect extremely staunch moral absolutists like Christian fundamentalists?

Well, I tolerate them. I just think they are idiots and they shouldn't force their, in my opinion bad (relative) morals on others...

And I respect any absolutist whose morals I can agree with, I might argue with him about the relativity of morals, but that doesn't imply disrespect.

Though, I absolutely agree that moral relativism doesn't have any inherent tolerance.

I disagree with Fece.

I'm sorry, but you're not allowed to agree with me. Fix your post, please.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm sorry, but you're not allowed to agree with me. Fix your post, please.
Done.

That's better.

Apologies for more whoredom, but I require a certain download. This is an experiment in patience.

EDIT: Hah, I found out a way to beat the system. FeceMan: 1, crappy game download site: 0.

Originally posted by Alliance
But without acceptance, you will never truly be tolerant.

Hmp...sounds like something Shaky would say. 😉