Then, of course, there's the notion that was raised very crucially in a Stewart Lee video I saw.
"I'm not against teaching religion in schools, but only if it's not taught as fact. Educating people on each other's religions, fine, but acting as if believing in God or A god is the default, that's wrong. That's like asking 'What team do you support?' before asking 'Do you even like football?'.".
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What do you have to say about all the people killing, shooting or bombing (Yes, him.) people in the name of God? What or WHO is to blame then? Lack of God? According to the criminals in question, God gave them the ok. These are people who do live their lives by the bible and by religion.So it's clearly not the answer you wish it would be, because we've all seen or heard the news reports of pro-lifers murdering doctors, students or men killing each other because God told them to.
I'm just curious as to where you stand on this particular issue.
-AC
My stand would be that they are wrong.
The religion they claim to follow (if it was christianity) doesn't teach or condone such things.
In fact, Christ says to: "love your neighbor as yourself."
The kind of thing that could be good if taught in schools.
I realize it's a much-used and often maligned phrase, but I'd wager that the bombers and shooters you mentioned aren't.... True Christians (.tm)
Originally posted by AllianceYes because the 2 shootings in California, the one in Alaska, or the one in Canada were comitted by Redneck Religous Rights activits. 🙄
Bullshit.You're a typical reactionary drone. If you see change, and something bad happens, it must be a result of the change. Thats horrible logic and is the product of zero insight.
Why are all the school shootings in the South? Thats were all the religious people are. Hell, Cho compared himself to Jesus Christ, maybe Religion is the problem and lack of religion the solution.
(I don't believe that last statement at all, I'm just pointing out what an ignoramous you're being)
Cho was no Southern redneck, and Virginia is no rednecked state.
Tell the millions of Christians in California and New York that the south is where all the religious people are.
Phail. 👇
The lack of logic and insight is on your part.
I've shown the different changes and steps taken in the last 50 years, and what I (and many others) believe is the result are these types of shootings now seen in the U.S.
What would you attribute it to then?
Originally posted by RobtardJust taking the philsophical issue to it's logical conclusion.
"Teach evolution and no god ([B]therefore life has no meaning and a teen no real purpose)"The bolded part is especially large and smelly shit... Why do you equate life having a meaning solely with god? It's fine if that's your sole purpose for living; just don't impose that mindset on others as being factual. Were is your basis for that conclusion, God=Meaning to/of life?
It is extremely insulting to tell others their lives have no meaning because they do not believe in god or to be more precise, your view of God. [/B]
If evolution is true, there is no god. Life is an accident, and we have nothing after our bodies rot to look forward to. Life's accomplishments are hollow, as we will pass away, and somebody else will come along in 50 years and undo whatever we managed to make happen.
Whats the point of life if it's all an accident anyway?
Whereas some older people may be able to find some limited joy and meaning in their lives small accomplishments, it's hard to expect a teenager with hormones and ideals swirling and developing to be so astute.
They'll likely see such limited aspirations as man's way of making himself feel better about an accidental life that will not mean anything once he's dead.
Therefore: teach evolution=no god, and no purpose.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
My stand would be that they are wrong.The religion they claim to follow (if it was christianity) doesn't teach or condone such things.
In fact, Christ says to: "love your neighbor as yourself."
The kind of thing that could be good if taught in schools.
Exactly, who here is against saying "Be nice to one another."? Not me. You just don't need Jesus to do it. Stop focusing on Jesus, on God, and start focusing on what they promoted.
Not how to push your agenda.
-AC
Originally posted by sithsaber408
What would you attribute it to then? Just taking the philsophical issue to it's logical conclusion.If evolution is true, there is no god. Life is an accident, and we have nothing after our bodies rot to look forward to. Life's accomplishments are hollow, as we will pass away, and somebody else will come along in 50 years and undo whatever we managed to make happen.
Whats the point of life if it's all an accident anyway?
Whereas some older people may be able to find some limited joy and meaning in their lives small accomplishments, it's hard to expect a teenager with hormones and ideals swirling and developing to be so astute.
They'll likely see such limited aspirations as man's way of making himself feel better about an accidental life that will not mean anything once he's dead.
Therefore: teach evolution=no god, and no purpose.
Illogical at it's purest... Evolution being true doesn't in any shape or form disprove god. It disproves certain facets of your religious views and dogma.
The fact that you find not being rewarded in some manner AFTER you die as being equal to 'life not having a meaning' is very telling. It tells me that the only reason you're a "decent person" is because 1) you're greedy i.e. you want a reward and because 2)you're fearful i.e. you don't want to be punished after you die.
No one knows if life is an "accident" or not, it's a guess... but it is wonderful in the here and now, so enjoy it (just my opinion on that part)
"Therefore: teach evolution=no god, and no purpose." Only in your narrow, insulting and illogical views.
Originally posted by Robtard
Illogical at it's purest... Evolution being true doesn't in any shape or form disprove god. It disproves certain facets of your religious views and dogma.The fact that you find not being rewarded in some manner AFTER you die as being equal to 'life not having a meaning' is very telling. It tells me that the only reason you're a "decent person" is because 1) you're greedy i.e. you want a reward and because 2)you're fearful i.e. you don't want to be punished after you die.
No one knows if life is an "accident" or not, it's a guess... but it is wonderful in the here and now, so enjoy it (just my opinion on that part)
"Therefore: teach evolution=no god, and no purpose." Only in your narrow, insulting and illogical views.
You do remember that I was approaching that idea from a kids point of view, yes?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You do remember that I was approaching that idea from a kids point of view, yes?
Irrelevant. You're saying that if you don't believe in god i.e. "Accepting Jesus as your lord and personal savior" then your life is without meaning or purpose. Does it matter if it's a child or an adult? No, it does not as their life is meaningless according to you.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
My stand would be that they are wrong.The religion they claim to follow (if it was christianity) doesn't teach or condone such things.
In fact, Christ says to: "love your neighbor as yourself."
The kind of thing that could be good if taught in schools.
If you read the entire Bible, you will see it is contradictory on lots of topics in terms of violence. Capital punishment is advocated on the basis of "eye for an eye."
Without context, lots of stuff makes sense
The person.
I think the idea of organised religion is complete bs, but I respect peoples' right to it. If you look at ANY religion, the message is basically respect your fellow man and woman, and whatever god you worship will forgive you for whatever you do "wrong", if you accept it and just learn from mistakes.
It's when people started using religion as a way to get power and a stranglehold on humans that it became a problem.
-AC
Originally posted by sithsaber408It's quite simple to me:
Take prayer out of schools-check.
Take Bible out of schools-check.
Teach evolution and no god (therefore life has no meaning and a teen no real purpose)-check
Allow sex and perversion in the culture, in the schools, and promote that any pleasure should be pursued-check
Passing of abortion, more proof that life isn't always sacred, and if you feel like it can be discarded-checkEquals= 18 school shootings in as many years.
Do the numbers.
I've listed all the variables that have been different for this young generations upbringing, and we've all seen the results.
Except you put the same variables in places that are not the US and you do not get the same result.
Try applying some basic scientific logic. An isolated result is useless; the basic idea must be repeatable. You have no consistency.
The result must therefore be explained by another factor. Hence you are wrong.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
My stand would be that they are wrong.The religion they claim to follow (if it was christianity) doesn't teach or condone such things.
In fact, Christ says to: "love your neighbor as yourself."
The kind of thing that could be good if taught in schools.
I realize it's a much-used and often maligned phrase, but I'd wager that the bombers and shooters you mentioned aren't.... True Christians (.tm) Yes because the 2 shootings in California, the one in Alaska, or the one in Canada were comitted by Redneck Religous Rights activits. 🙄
Cho was no Southern redneck, and Virginia is no rednecked state.
Tell the millions of Christians in California and New York that the south is where all the religious people are.
Phail. 👇
The lack of logic and insight is on your part.
I've shown the different changes and steps taken in the last 50 years, and what I (and many others) believe is the result are these types of shootings now seen in the U.S.
What would you attribute it to then? Just taking the philsophical issue to it's logical conclusion.
If evolution is true, there is no god. Life is an accident, and we have nothing after our bodies rot to look forward to. Life's accomplishments are hollow, as we will pass away, and somebody else will come along in 50 years and undo whatever we managed to make happen.
Whats the point of life if it's all an accident anyway?
Whereas some older people may be able to find some limited joy and meaning in their lives small accomplishments, it's hard to expect a teenager with hormones and ideals swirling and developing to be so astute.
They'll likely see such limited aspirations as man's way of making himself feel better about an accidental life that will not mean anything once he's dead.
Therefore: teach evolution=no god, and no purpose.
Dude, I'm not even going to bother. If you reall want to talk, pm me, but I'm not going to sit here and listen to your 2-year-old ignorance.
You don't have proper conceptions of anyhting, Christianity or evolution. Society shames itself by indulging this sort of childish antics.
This is a waste of my time and you don't even warrant a response.