OneDumbG0
Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by Juntai
From the forum rules.[I don't know how many times I have to post this to you.]"That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though [b]The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed
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It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability"Think of the way you described Flash above, and the way the forum rules depict what he can do.
The scenario you're depicting is the team fighting in top calibre, and Superman holding back and not utilizing his powers that give him a vast advantage. Your depiction of The Flash is just the same.
On the forum, the characters don't hold back to figure out plot, the teams don't have the prep time to coordinate an attack properly, and to do one while in midfield with someone as Superman's supersenses, and huge reation advantage.. they'd fall into ruin even faster. [/B]
Actually Juntai, you're completely avoiding my argument. You would like my argument to be reduced to Superman lowering himself. But I never stated as such. You're trying once again, to inject what you think or want my argbument to mean. You either missed the entire point of my post or recognize it and are still just trying to argue in semantics. Never once did I state that numbers and powers would negate the effect of the rule of 'bloodlust.' This is clear from my post:
1) Superman can indeed fight bloodlusted. Superman does have the power to one-shot these opponents.
2) I take exception that Superman can knock each and every person out in bloodlust mode in a second.
Why?
3) Because Superman has not one-shotted top-tier durable opponents in a single second. He also has not done it to multiple top-tier durable opponents in a second.
Hence: Superman would need time to take down most individuals on this team.
Hence: Superman would probably need seconds at the least, to take down one opponent. He needed several seconds to speed-blitz Mongul, to knock out John Stewart's shield, to blast through a Saturn moon, etc.
Hence: he'd need more than a few seconds and minutes at the most to take down the entire team.
Hence: the team has time enough to react, defend and counter-attack given their numbers and powers.
Flash's Rogues were an allusion to the numbers and powers argument because given sufficient opportunity, we see how his Rogues can get the better of Flash.
What we're arguing is whether the opportunity exists. You are clearly wrong that no such opportunity exists. Every single person that says Superman could win in one second have not produced a single scan that Superman could knock out one, let alone four-five high durability opponents in a single second. I have all of Sueprman's scans to prove thusly.
If you don't get the fugging point, or are too proud to admit the absolute truths lying herein as supported by Superman's own scans, then you're being a reticent anus. Try as you might to hope that your repeated arguments might ring true to someone who isn't thinking, it doesn't work on the majority of the posters who recognize that Superman could not win this 10/10 in a second.
